bush's approval rating - Page 3

Ned · November 3, 2003, 18:47

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus

Lots of non-leftists are against Bush too. Chirac, Putin. Also, 3 out of 4 Germans and Frenchmen view Bush negatively. 3 out of 4! While in France, the majority votes for right wing parties, and in Germany around half! Plenty of right wingers who dislike Bush. Similar findings in Spain and Italy, where right wingers were voted into office, but 60% still had an unfavorable view of Bush.

So far from just "commies/greens" opposing Bush, lots of right wingers dislike him too. And people don't dislike Bush because he's right wing, they dislike him (and most other republicans, and quite a few democrats) for their (in our opinion) ignorant and short sighted views on world affairs, for their overt nationalist and religious displays, etc. And this isn't limited to US presidents, guys like Berlusconi are universally dispised as well.

As I said before, Chirac is purely anti-American. It makes no difference who the president is.

When Berlusconi is "equally" despised, I begin to question just how right wing these Bush-haters are. This really is a left-right issue. Bush is not an appeaser of the left. That, more than anything else, is what pisses them off.

Why Putin threw in with the leftists is puzzling, since he too is a hardline anti-terrorist leader. I think it may have had to do with Russia's long time good relations with Saddam. But, now that that is over, Putin and Bush have patched things up. It was Putin, after all, who brokered the 15-0 UNSC resolution in favor of giving the US a mandate in Iraq.

Ramo · November 3, 2003, 18:47

Absolutely. Just like how we love Saddam.

Ned · November 3, 2003, 18:52

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

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St. Leo, name one Republican president who has ever been popular with the left?

Well some Dems liked Reagan at the time... remember the "Reagan Democrats"?

True. I think that Reagan got so many Democrats votes is because he was a patriot and many Democrats are patriots as well. Vel and MtG are two good examples here on Apolyton.

Kuciwalker · November 3, 2003, 18:57

Vel and MtG are democrats?

Nubclear · November 3, 2003, 19:02

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Originally posted by Ned

The hatred of socialist and communists is well deserved because they hate freedom.

And we eat our young, too.

Kuciwalker · November 3, 2003, 19:04

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... tasty

Saint Marcus · November 3, 2003, 19:49

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The hatred of socialist and communists is well deserved because they hate freedom.

leftist is not the same as socialist/communist, Ned.

So why all the anti-leftist sentiments you're having? I don't lump you together with other right wing groups, such as Nazis and whatnot.

GhengisFarb™ · November 3, 2003, 19:55

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Originally posted by Odin
So basically, the repugs tap in on peoples ignorance (taxes and economics) while the Dems use logical arguments (unemployment, etc.).

That's the most backwards declaration I've ever heard in my life.

Ned · November 3, 2003, 20:24

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus

leftist is not the same as socialist/communist, Ned.

So why all the anti-leftist sentiments you're having? I don't lump you together with other right wing groups, such as Nazis and whatnot.

Saint Marcus, I agree that socialists are less extreme Marxists than communists. But they still are against freedom to the extent they are against free enterprise. Now, a person who believes in a social safety-net while supporting free enterprise - well, in the US, that is the very definition of a Republican. So those outside the US who hate Republicans cannot be interested in pro-business capitalism with a social safety net. They must be interested in socialism.

Nubclear · November 3, 2003, 20:34

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Originally posted by Ned
social safety-net while supporting free enterprise -

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I don't lump you together with other right wing groups, such as Nazis and whatnot.

And I don't lump rightists with him

I understand that most rightists aren't quite as extreme as him, so....

St Leo · November 3, 2003, 22:20

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Originally posted by Ned
St. Leo, name one Republican president who has ever been popular with the left?

Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt are not reviled today.

Name one Democrat president who has ever been popular with the left.

Nubclear · November 3, 2003, 23:08

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Originally posted by St Leo
Name one Democrat

I do hope this wasn't intentional.

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president who has ever been popular with the left.

Berzerker · November 3, 2003, 23:14

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True. I think that Reagan got so many Democrats votes is because he was a patriot and many Democrats are patriots as well. Vel and MtG are two good examples here on Apolyton.

Reagan was a patriot? We must have different definitions of patriotism...

DanS · November 3, 2003, 23:58

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I want more convenient coincidences.

Ned · November 4, 2003, 16:59

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

And I don't lump rightists with him

I understand that most rightists aren't quite as extreme as him, so....

Thanks for the compliment.

Also, you have no idea what the Republican party is all about. Your view of Republicans seems more concruent with a charateracture of Simon Legree. If this were in fact true, I too would hate Republicans, just like you.

Ned · November 4, 2003, 17:00

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Originally posted by Berzerker

Reagan was a patriot? We must have different definitions of patriotism...

Apparently.

Reagan was pro-America and anti-communist.

What is your definition?

Ned · November 4, 2003, 17:03

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Originally posted by St Leo

Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt are not reviled today.

Name one Democrat president who has ever been popular with the left.

I assume you meant "right." I give you Thomas Jefferson, James Polk, FDR and JFK.

I personally also like Clinton if you can divorce his philandering and lying from what he did.

DanS · November 4, 2003, 17:08

These are really funny polls. In the US, using representative samples, Bush has a 55% approval rating. Among young adults, Bush has a 66% approval rating.

This site sure has funky demographics.

Saint Marcus · November 4, 2003, 19:32

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These are really funny polls. In the US, using representative samples, Bush has a 55% approval rating. Among young adults, Bush has a 66% approval rating.

This site sure has funky demographics.

well DUH

those polls are held under Americans, while this one has non-Americans voting as well.

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Saint Marcus, I agree that socialists are less extreme Marxists than communists. But they still are against freedom to the extent they are against free enterprise. Now, a person who believes in a social safety-net while supporting free enterprise - well, in the US, that is the very definition of a Republican. So those outside the US who hate Republicans cannot be interested in pro-business capitalism with a social safety net. They must be interested in socialism.

What about other leftists? Social Democrats for one. As I recall, your biggest ally in the War in Iraq is a Social Democrat! He's not that left wing, but still a Social Democrat.

And pro-business capitalism? See how good it's working. **cough**Enron**cough**

And what do you think of other rightwingers? Not every rightwinger is a republican.

Saint Marcus · November 4, 2003, 19:50

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In the US, using representative samples, Bush has a 55% approval rating. Among young adults, Bush has a 66% approval rating.

I just watch the Dutch news...they reported a 38% approval rating for Bush, in the US. :hmm:

Ned · November 4, 2003, 20:13

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Originally posted by Saint Marcus

well DUH

those polls are held under Americans, while this one has non-Americans voting as well.

What about other leftists? Social Democrats for one. As I recall, your biggest ally in the War in Iraq is a Social Democrat! He's not that left wing, but still a Social Democrat.

And pro-business capitalism? See how good it's working. **cough**Enron**cough**

And what do you think of other rightwingers? Not every rightwinger is a republican.

You talking about Blair? Well, Blair is fairly conservative on most issues, is he not?

However, the people who hate Republicans are heavily into class warfare in the United States. I assume that this must be true outside the US as well. It just seems that those who believe in class warfarism (the "social-justice" crowd) are in the majority in Europe.

Saint Marcus · November 6, 2003, 12:40

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You talking about Blair? Well, Blair is fairly conservative on most issues, is he not?

yes, for a leftist.

But he's as right-wing as Bill Clinton was!

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I assume that this must be true outside the US as well.

Not really. Republicans are disliked among non-socialists/greens as well. For different reasons, of course.

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It just seems that those who believe in class warfarism (the "social-justice" crowd) are in the majority in Europe.

in France, right wingers were voted in power. Ditto for Holland, Italy, Spain, etc. The people who voted for them are FAR from being into class warfare. Yet, most of them STILL dislike Republicans. Or at least, the current administration.

So please stop your two dimensional "if you hate Republicans you must be an extremist lefty" argumentation. It just doesn't hold ground in the rest of the world, where rightwingers join moderates and leftwingers in their oposition of the Dubya administration.

DanS · November 6, 2003, 12:42

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I just watch the Dutch news...they reported a 38% approval rating for Bush, in the US.

They must be dumb shits. Or maybe they were saying that 38% is the disapproval rating?

Zealot · November 6, 2003, 13:18

No, but YOU must be! I keep getting more and more surprised by the amount of censorship there must be in USA's media! I mean, how much of your 8 o'clock news cover international news, or even nation wide news? It's all local junk news!

European broadcasts are a LOT more complete, with very high levels of accuracy and political independence.
If you want to trust me on this one, do so. If you don't, have a happy life in fairyland!

DanS · November 6, 2003, 13:35

Zealot: I can only go by SM tells us. If the reporters say that Bush's approval rating is at 38%, then they're dumb shits or big fat liars.

muxec · November 6, 2003, 15:03

I voted yes...

Q Classic · November 6, 2003, 15:55

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So those outside the US who hate Republicans cannot be interested in pro-business capitalism with a social safety net. They must be interested in socialism.

...? so if they're not with you, they're against you?

Zealot · November 6, 2003, 16:09

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Originally posted by muxec
I voted yes...

There's no such answer; only "Aye", "Nay", and "Banana"!

DanS, I'm sorry, but I really can't understand your point.
SM said that Bush's approval rate is only 38%. So? He didn't say 62% are against him! There are always absentees in these kind of polls!!!

I don't remember the last time I heard a poll about Bush's popularity in the US broadcasted here in Portugal, but I do remember it was already below 50%.

rah · November 6, 2003, 16:17

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Originally posted by Zealot
No, but YOU must be! I keep getting more and more surprised by the amount of censorship there must be in USA's media! I mean, how much of your 8 o'clock news cover international news, or even nation wide news? It's all local junk news!

European broadcasts are a LOT more complete, with very high levels of accuracy and political independence.
If you want to trust me on this one, do so. If you don't, have a happy life in fairyland!

We have no 8 o'clock news. hmmmmmmm
You must be confused. We have two distinct types of news shows on the broadcast networks. This does not include the cable news channels like CNN CNBC etc.

One is the local news that is produced locally. It may cover briefly national or international stories, but that's not it's purpose.

Then there is the network news that covers mostly national and international stories with an occasional local story if it's big enough. CBS ABC and NBC. Much more credible than Euros give them credit for.

So it depends on which news broadcasts you're talking about. Get your facts straight before you make biased statements like that.

DanS · November 6, 2003, 16:23

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SM said that Bush's approval rate is only 38%. So?

Well, it just isn't true. Not even close.

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I don't remember the last time I heard a poll about Bush's popularity in the US broadcasted here in Portugal, but I do remember it was already below 50%.

It has never been below 50% in his presidency. Where do you guys come up with these bullshit numbers?