Developer Update: The Wonders of Civ-Conquests

Stuie · November 4, 2003, 10:41

Just noticed this at civ3.com:

http://civ3.com/devupdate_newwonders.cfm

Some highlights...

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Considering that Philosophy now also provides a free technology advancement to the first person to research it...

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The Crusader units that it produces, while slower then knights, are just as strong and have the added ability to create fortresses.

Note that Crusaders are 5.3.1, meaning knights must now be 5.3.2.

Great Wall ( Kudos to the AU Mod!! ) :

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This wonder has been changed to add walls to any city on the same continent.

Shakespeare's Theater:

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To further enhance this Wonder, we modified it so that it now allows you to surpass the 12 population limit in the city which it was built.

Military Academy:

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...all Armies now receive 1/6th of the combined attack/defense rating as a bonus to the Armies combat effectiveness...

Tourist wonders:

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The Pyramids
The Oracle
Hanging Gardens
The Great Wall
The Statue of Zeus
The Temple of Artemis
Mausoleum of Mausollos
The Great Library
The Colossus
The Great Lighthouse
The Sistine Chapel
Leonardo's Workshop
Copernicus's Observatory
Shakespeare's Theater
Newton's University
JS Bach's Cathedral
Hoover Damn
United Nations

Stuie · November 4, 2003, 10:43

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Hoover Damn

Their spelling, not mine.

Brundlefly · November 4, 2003, 10:44

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Originally posted by Stuie

Hoover Damn

Damn!

Arrian · November 4, 2003, 11:08

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Philosophy now also provides a free technology advancement to the first person to research it...

Hmm, may have to re-think that Republic beeline I've been using. Back to CivII, I see.

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Great Wall -
This wonder has been changed to add walls to any city on the same continent.

AU mod. This is now powerful, as a "Great Wonder" should be. I'm a tad surprised nothing was done to the Oracle.

-Arrian

alva · November 4, 2003, 11:24

Some very improvements indeed

For those who tried this before:
Wouldn't a 5.3.2 knight be a little strong?
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I'm surprised they didn't change anything on Hoover Damn. (well except the spelling that is

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Dominae · November 4, 2003, 11:32

I doubt Knights are 5/3/2.

I think "just as strong" means "equally capable attackers". The death rate of Knights and Crusaders (on offense) is very similar (Knights retreat to fight another day, Crusaders punch harder).

Dominae

Stuie · November 4, 2003, 11:34

You "doubt" or you know. Spill it!!

Dominae · November 4, 2003, 11:34

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Originally posted by alva

I'm surprised they didn't change anything on Hoover Damn. (well except the spelling that is).

What's wrong with the Hoover Dam?

Dominae

Arrian · November 4, 2003, 11:34

Crusaders: Immortals of the Middle Ages.

-Arrian

GhengisFarb™ · November 4, 2003, 11:58

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Originally posted by Stuie
Shakespeare's Theater:

Its about freakin time. That was the first mod and thread I posted about at CFC (before I discover Poly).

Looks they decided a lot of stuff the posters on Apoly and CFC were doing were good ideas.

alva · November 4, 2003, 12:30

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Originally posted by Dominae

What's wrong with the Hoover Dam?

Dominae

The AI's low pririty on getting it (saved my butt once on a deity game

) (could have been changed?)
If the human player gets it, it's virtualy game over.

Dominae · November 4, 2003, 12:41

Ah, then you would have to solve the Theory of Evolution problem first, right?

Dominae

joncnunn · November 4, 2003, 20:34

I'm thinking it may be difficult to get much time from the Tourist attraction from these:

Copernicus's Observatory : I can see reaching this before 1050 AD, but not much before 900 AD, and if your that far ahead, shouldn't you win by spaceship before the 1000 years occurs?

Shakespeare's Theater : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1050 AD.

Newton's University : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1200 AD.

Hoover Dam : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1300 AD.

United Nations: I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1400 AD.

Kuciwalker · November 5, 2003, 00:39

Tourist bonus only kicks in after 1000 years?

Maybe they should make it based partly on the number of turns.

Jaybe · November 5, 2003, 00:58

From what I read (don't remember where) it is 100 TURNS for tourist attractions.

G'Kar · November 5, 2003, 02:00

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Philosophy now also provides a free technology advancement to the first person to research it...

I guess I'll have to research this instead of buying it.

Panag · November 5, 2003, 13:40

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Originally posted by joncnunn
I'm thinking it may be difficult to get much time from the Tourist attraction from these:

Copernicus's Observatory : I can see reaching this before 1050 AD, but not much before 900 AD, and if your that far ahead, shouldn't you win by spaceship before the 1000 years occurs?

Shakespeare's Theater : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1050 AD.

Newton's University : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1200 AD.

Hoover Dam : I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1300 AD.

United Nations: I'd be impressed if anyone built this before 1400 AD.

hi ,

newt's in 950 AD , .....

have a great day

Faboba · November 5, 2003, 15:18

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Originally posted by skywalker
Tourist bonus only kicks in after 1000 years?

Maybe they should make it based partly on the number of turns.

Is there a word in Klingon for 'you can always mod it; that's what the editor is for after all'?

Yahweh Sabaoth · November 5, 2003, 16:05

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Originally posted by Arrian
Crusaders: Immortals of the Middle Ages.

Unless they're up against the new Musketeers, I suppose...

Sarxis · November 5, 2003, 19:02

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Originally posted by Stuie

Their spelling, not mine.

They've always had spelling issues with Civ3.

alva · November 5, 2003, 20:01

That's on purpose, it makes the patch fixes list look more impressive.

joncnunn · November 5, 2003, 20:02

Well, that makes much more sense.

But I'm fairly sure I win by space ship before the 100 turns after finishing the UN.

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Originally posted by Jaybe
From what I read (don't remember where) it is 100 TURNS for tourist attractions.

Panag · November 6, 2003, 08:26

hi ,

so , any other easteregg's found yet , ......

have a nice day

MrWhereItsAt · November 6, 2003, 09:20

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Tourist wonders:

The Pyramids
The Oracle
Hanging Gardens
The Great Wall
The Statue of Zeus
The Temple of Artemis
Mausoleum of Mausollos
The Great Library
The Colossus
The Great Lighthouse
The Sistine Chapel
Leonardo's Workshop
Copernicus's Observatory
Shakespeare's Theater
Newton's University
JS Bach's Cathedral
Hoover Damn
United Nations

No Statue of Liberty? Isn't that a Tourist attraction? You could make a case for the FP to be one too.

And 5 attack Knights/Crusaders sounds fine with the new 5 defence Musketeers. It just puts the Medieval Era that bit beyond the Ancient Age, much as the Industrial era, with 10 defence Infantry and Artillery, blows away everything in the Medieval Age.

Just thinking on it now though, this DEFINITELY puts up the power of research - you get units that really outclass the earlier era units, and with upgrade costs so much more you gotta get those techs earlier so you can actually build some of the new-fangled units.

Panag · November 6, 2003, 18:55

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt

No Statue of Liberty? Isn't that a Tourist attraction? You could make a case for the FP to be one too.

And 5 attack Knights/Crusaders sounds fine with the new 5 defence Musketeers. It just puts the Medieval Era that bit beyond the Ancient Age, much as the Industrial era, with 10 defence Infantry and Artillery, blows away everything in the Medieval Age.

Just thinking on it now though, this DEFINITELY puts up the power of research - you get units that really outclass the earlier era units, and with upgrade costs so much more you gotta get those techs earlier so you can actually build some of the new-fangled units.

hi ,

, one could wonder if they could not include the statue of liberty in a patch or so , .....

Firaxis

have a nice day

MrWhereItsAt · November 6, 2003, 19:41

panag - that could well be done, although I imagine they may have left it out for a reason, hopefully not just because it has only existed the last 220 years!

Of course, assuming the editor is complete, we can always go and modify the .bic file to include it as a tourist attraction.

/facetious mode

The Internet is a tourist attraction too. It attracts so many every year, full of businesses cashing in on the visitors - it just never has an off-season and doesn;t actually exist in ine place...

Panag · November 7, 2003, 18:32

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
panag - that could well be done, although I imagine they may have left it out for a reason, hopefully not just because it has only existed the last 220 years!

Of course, assuming the editor is complete, we can always go and modify the .bic file to include it as a tourist attraction.

/facetious mode

The Internet is a tourist attraction too. It attracts so many every year, full of businesses cashing in on the visitors - it just never has an off-season and doesn;t actually exist in ine place...

hi ,

and the hoover damn is older then 220 years , .......

yes it can be put in true the editor , but it should have been included , .....

and they could build the WTC of NY also , lets say as a special wonder for the american civ only , why , well so we may never forget 9/11

have a nice day