SHOGUN Units & Flags collection...

Prometeus · November 7, 2000, 07:38

Hy dudes take a look at this...

WarVoid · November 7, 2000, 19:44

Not bad, the units are a little dark and look shadowed. But the flags came out awesome....

KhanMan · November 8, 2000, 07:05

NICE!!!

Does this mean there is/will be a great Promethian "Shogun" Scenario?

*crossing fingers*

-KhanMan

Prometeus · November 8, 2000, 09:52

To Warvoid

quote:

Originally posted by WarVoid on 11-07-2000 06:44 PM
Not bad, the units are a little dark and look shadowed

The kind of armour is the so-called "black iron" model, for what i could understand from my book "A Japan's history" ( black iron: japanese way to say steel; they learned how to make it from Portoguese merchants and priests. It was a lot more strong than traditional japanese armours, but a lot more expensive. Only Feudal lords - a.k.a. Daimyo - could afford them... ).

But I think i'll remove shadows ASAP.

To Khanman

A "Promethian" scen, no. But...

another one' scenario about XVI.th century in Japan, YES

( sorry, I'm not going to tell you another word about him; as we use to say, "tell about sins, don't tell about sinners": i promised him, sorry ).

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klesh · November 8, 2000, 14:51

Are these units sniped from Shogun:Total War? Well at least fronm the 4th row down? They look great!

BeBro · November 8, 2000, 15:22

These units look good, but they would look even better with more colors...

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Prometeus · November 8, 2000, 15:40

To FM Klesh

Basic demo units were arquibusers and archers; but in demo panel units i found Heavy and Light Samurai, Naginata weaponed Samurai, Monks, Ashigaru - Popular Infantry, Light and Heavy Cavalry, and Mounted Archers...

To BeBro

I think basic colors were linked to flags, but i don't know so much about this point-of-view: demo never worked on my PC...

Prometeus · November 9, 2000, 01:57

Damn... look at that weird colours... I modified colours and see what happened...

Nacchio!!! I'll put on my site original Shogun file again...

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KhanMan · November 9, 2000, 06:44

Aiyyeeeee!!!

One will be greatful when the colors are restored...

Running for the hills,
KhanMan

Prometeus · November 24, 2000, 08:28

* bump for fred *

fred · November 24, 2000, 16:50

Prometeus could i possibly use some of these units in my Shogun scenario, and i will take the time to change the colours (brown and grey and unknown colour based on Shogun by James Clavell)

Anyone with historical maps of the time so I would specificly know where to place the cities and create the territories. Thnks

Prometeus · November 24, 2000, 17:21

Sure... Do you need a XVI century Japan map also? But this reports feudal families and praefectures only...

fred · November 24, 2000, 18:23

i wouldnt mind a 16th century historical map with cities and just the local Diamyo's regions the book should sufice the rest.

Where can i get the units or do i just use you picture post?

Prometeus · November 25, 2000, 11:00

Units are ripped from Shogun Demo version, but i suggest you to use the posted ones ( of course deminish darkness

)... The XVI century map of Japan is available on Shogun demo version also, but this one is without cities.
A question. In XVI century several Japanese cities were almost indipendent from daimyo's power ( just look at Osaka: only Toyotomi Hideyoshi subdued tha town - and skinned alive its defensors ). I don't know how's situation showed in "Shogun" book... It's the same or am I wrong?
A tip: XVI-XVII century Portoguese uniform was spanish kind, except that portoguese used kinda WWI British silverlike helmet and white uniforms instead of red&yellow ones used by spanish.

PS "Shogun" is inspired by Willian Blake, right?

fred · November 25, 2000, 16:29

Ishido in the book has full control over Osaka castle

over 200 000 soldiers in the castle and some few thousand outside in side of osaka castle.

And each Diamyo had control of a city from where he ruled.

The book made Osaka seem like a very well controlled city from which the council of regents than Lord Ishido controled. Since Im basing my scenario on the book I will use all the information it provides, though i may end up with people saying "this isnt correct, bla blah blah"

Shogun the book? inspired by William Blake i dont know

fred · November 25, 2000, 21:22

the units i will change depiciting each major side according to their colours in the book, Brown and Grey

I will add Green and Blue units too to have some colour

fred · November 25, 2000, 22:01

I'm sorry for my ignorance, yes Blackthorne is based on William Blake. He is an english pilot on a dutch ship that became a friend of the Shogun.

Quote:
A question. In XVI century several Japanese cities were almost indipendent from daimyo's power ( just look at Osaka: only Toyotomi Hideyoshi subdued tha town - and skinned alive its defensors ).

To clean this up as well, historicly this happend before the book Shogun occured. Toyotomi (Taiko in Shogun) was a peasant that united Japan, but since he was a peasant he could not achieve Shogunate. The Taiko only had 1 child (in the book) after a lot of effort

. When the Taiko died he knew that there would be problems in Japan if he did not set up a governing body that would control Japan untill his son became of age. He set up 5 regents (2 Christian diamyos Tokugawa[Toranaga], Ishido, and some other guy

)

Each diamyo hated each other so in prinicpale they would never unite against one another. Ishido used lies to change the allegance against Toranaga, which the book takes over. The book talks about, beside the person story, how Toranaga tryed to gain support. Toranaga was an accomplished warrior and had the control of the most powerful Province, the Kunato. Toranaga defeted Ishido's army in 1 battle and the rest of Japan fell. Toranaga becomes leader and is "persuaded" to become Shogun untill the Tiako's sun becomes of age. Then Toranaga married the heir's mother and then the heir became part of Toranaga's familly continueing the lineage os Shoguns that controlled Japan up to the 19th century. They closed off Japan's borders except for Nagasaki.

That is basically all I know. Now back to the scenario

Found some maps that will help with the boundaries and major cities. Now i just need to get all the graphics done.

Can I, and should I edit the city window graphic?

Prometeus · November 26, 2000, 01:22

It's a lot hard, but if you want to edit city windows graphics ( I tried with Antigonos and failed )...

fred · November 26, 2000, 02:14

those units dont take to different colour very well so im going to take that style on to new units and units ive already found.
Does it just make the city window hard to read?

Ill try it out and have a look