A view from my Kok Turks scenario...

Prometeus · October 17, 2000, 05:25

Hy League pals !!!
After four months of research, work and patience, I've started the final making of this scenario !!!!
Hmmm... maybe I should have to say the "3.0 version" of this scenario ( that's right, it crashed two times !!!

).
First, the map, from west to east:
Iranic lands...

Zungary and Tarim...

... and, finally, Mongolian steppes and Northern China.

I made this map scanning a polar-projected northern emisphere, but I elonged it that way in order to perform an essential political development: Western Kok turks ( On Ok ) against Persians and Je-ta/Eftalites, Eastern Kok turks against the other Turks and Chinese empire ( not to mention a civil war between the two Kok turks kingdoms... eh eh eh

).
I'm "ear-opened" to your hints and tips...

Hendrik the Great · October 17, 2000, 05:57

There sure are a lot of mountains...
But is looks really good!

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Prometeus · October 17, 2000, 06:26

A lot of these mountains are going to be wiped out, Hendrik; I want to replace them with another terrain in order to perform mountain pastures, especially around Central Mongolia ( from Tarbagataj to Altai mountain ridges )...

Hendrik the Great · October 17, 2000, 06:31

I see. How big is it in squares? How many in x*y?

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Prometeus · October 17, 2000, 06:38

It's around 100 x 25 y dimensions, but I avoided the distance by giving to steppes' terrain a 2/3 movement point, and 1/3 to plains and prairie's terrain.

Prometeus · October 18, 2000, 11:25

This is how i changed Forest into Coniferous Forest using AoE tree pics...

More to come... stay tuned !

C0ckney · October 18, 2000, 14:39

looking good so far, are those tundra and glacia terrains going to be changed into types of mountain?

The forest looks great as well.

Also just one little thing,the expression is "open eared", sorry just had to point that out. (but your English is better than my Italian

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Prometeus · October 18, 2000, 14:56

To COckney

Yes, look at the pic... this is how tundra is going to be ( as I changed it into steppes ). This is Western Zungary - near the On Ok-West Kok Turks starting point...

The Glacier is going to be changed into High Mountain, and Jungle into "Yayla" terrain ( "Mountain pastures" in Turk language - sorry for mispelling it, I can't perform dieresis with my keyboard... and turk languages uses eight different vowels

), but they are not currently placed on the map...

PS Thanks for the tip; Italian Dictionaries often don't report english slang expressions...

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Stefan Härtel · October 18, 2000, 16:50

My god, that looks wonderful. I can hardly await seeing the final product!

Stefan Härtel · October 18, 2000, 16:52

Oh yeah, and German uses eight different vowels too: a, e, i, o, u, ä, ö, ü + we have an ß (a very sharp s-sound).

PolarisGL · October 18, 2000, 19:47

Stopped by to say looking good, Prometeus.

KhanMan · October 19, 2000, 04:50

Hmmm...looks interesting. I'm in the middle of playing with Hartel's "Shaibani" (which gives new meaning to the words "mobile calvalry), but I'd be glad to try out whatever you want feedback on...

"All fear the German double-S! Long live the Niedersaschen ban on Esset Spellings!"
-KhanMan

PS. Deine Umlauten sind geil, Steffie

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Stefan Härtel · October 19, 2000, 11:53

There is a reformed spelling going on right now, but nobody wants it. I for personal have once actually begun with writing in the really old spelling from ca. 1910, but I stopped doing that because I had no idea wether it was spelled "Tür" or "Thür".
The new spelling&grammar is going to degrade the ß, because it is, in many occasions going to be replaced by an ss (i.e. dass), which I think is terrible because I like the ß.

It would, of course, be easier for us all to speak Abkhazian, since that uses only two vowels

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Prometeus · October 19, 2000, 13:53

To Hendrik

Too much honor for my humble screenshot...

To Stefan
Just wait to listen if Caucasian auxiliary cavalry is going to speak Abkhazian, Stefan...

( PS speaking of short akphabets, better for all of us to speak Hawaian, then... vowels included, 18 letters only... for sure not turk ! I.e. "Türkleshtiremediklerimizdenmisiniz ?"...
"What a wonderful language; it says so much with so few words..." - Molière, "Le bourgeois gentilhomme"

)

To Khanman
Yeah, "Shaibani" final release by Stefan gave me a couple of ideas about how to develope this weirdo to an end...

To PolarisGL
Do you remember your Jason unit ? I changed it a little, but your "*" will be still on... Thanks a lot!!!
PS When i'll have it finished, i'll post my Celtitaly strategy and solution to your forum...

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Hendrik the Great · October 20, 2000, 00:00

Nice Screenshot! I'm going to print that one and hang it on one of my four walls...

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Prometeus · October 21, 2000, 07:05

The list of units...

Hy again dudes this is the list I'm going to place int it.

East and West Turks

Infantry T
Light Cavalry T
Heavy Cavalry T
Mounted Archers
Auxiliary troops (?), but i'm not sure about this for East Turks

Kok Turks and Western Kok Turks - On Ok

Infantry T
Light Cavalry T
Heavy Cavalry T
Mounted Archers
Turuk élite Cavalry ( for Kok Turks )
On Ok Qaghan ( for On Ok )

Eftalites

Infantry E
Light Cavalry E
Heavy Cavalry E
Mounted Archers
To better perform the Je-ta power decline, no special unit for them

Persians

Light Infantry P
Heavy Infantry P
Archers P
Light Cavalry P
Heavy Cavalry P

Chinese

I.st part of the scen ( Wei dinasty )

Archers C
Crossbowmen C
Wei Infantry
Light cavalry C
Wei cavalry ( Heavy kind )

II.nd part of the scen ( Sui dinasty )

Archers C
Crossbowmen C
Infantry C
Light cavalry C
Sui cavalry ( Heavy kind )

III.rd part of the scen ( T'ang dinasty )

Archers C
Crossbowmen C
Infantry C
Light cavalry C
T'ang cavalry ( Heavy kind )
A special unit ( Officer? Rocket? )

PS T is for Turks, E for Eftalites, P for Persians, C for Chinese...

If you have some tips, please post here...

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Kull · October 22, 2000, 00:44

It looks really good, Prometeus! The new terrain is very cool, but here's a few things you might consider changing:

1) The African-style Goody Hut is one of those things that most scenario designers forget to change. You should alter the graphic so it looks more "Central-Asian". If/when there's a remake of "End of the Bronze Age", I'll change it to something more like the Bronze Age Size 1 city.

2) Forest Pheasant: (Warning! - Personal Pet Peeve!) I hate that graphic because it's so totally out of proportion to all the other "specials". Why not some 4-legged beast of prey native to the area?

Prometeus · October 22, 2000, 01:35

Thanks for the tips, Kull... I've already changed The Goody Hut look into a kazakh yurt; I think I'll change the Forest Pheasant into a Tragopan, a Mountain Chicken or something like that beasts.

Prometeus · October 22, 2000, 05:11

As I promised, a preview of my units...
the Turkish Heavy Cavalry !!!

This unit is going to be the standard Heavy Cavalry unit for all Turk kingdoms ( Kok & On Ok included ).

Prometeus · October 22, 2000, 07:50

... and this is a sample of auxiliary units ( created via events.txt ):

the Caucasian Auxiliary Cavalry ( reserved to Persians and Western Turks, if owner of Tiflis town ).

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Hendrik the Great · October 22, 2000, 08:22

Those units were scanned, right?
...and isn't it auxiliary?

BTW, in what time plays the scn? My knowledge of Kok Turks is quite limited.

Prometeus · October 22, 2000, 09:36

quote:

Originally posted by Hendrik the Great on 10-22-2000 08:22 AM
Those units were scanned, right?

Yes. I'm pretty scarce in design something... But only the first unit is scanned. The second one is a "melting pot" of two different images; one of them was taken by a modelism site, specialized in oriental warriors and knights... the second was handy-made.

The scenario is going to start around the year 540 AC, and to finish in 652 AC. I'm intentioned to perform in this scenario the first rise of Turkish qaghanats to Central Asia power.

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Prometeus · October 25, 2000, 11:20

A trouble...

This is the only terrain I've modified before today, the "Yayla-Mountain Pastures" terrain...

but now I've another kind of trouble...

what kind of background fits better for an "High Mountain" terrain look, a cloudy background or a stone background ? If you have a tip for me, thanks in advance,
Prometeus

PS Hendrik, may I have your permission to use your Persian style city look for this scen ?

Hendrik the Great · October 26, 2000, 00:38

Sure" Use anything you need. It's a long time since I made that city style...

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Prometeus · October 26, 2000, 11:31

Thanks for your permission, Hendrik... that means I've only Je-ta - Eftalites city style to deal with.

Stefan Härtel · October 26, 2000, 15:18

Sasanian times.
Need any units?
Cities?
WoWs?
Ideas?
Anything?
Just Asking.

Prometeus · October 26, 2000, 15:38

Got a pic for Sasanian infantry (

a swordman ) - and one for the light cavalry (

used in Antigonos, a light mounted archer ).

For the Shah, siege troops and archers I've a picture, too...

But for that blasted "cataphracts" cavalry unit I've only a roman "graffiti" from Dura Europos

and it's not enough because A) it's only a ruined and, even worse, B) partial image...

Thanks for any tip, Stefan.

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Prometeus · October 27, 2000, 11:58

* bump *

Prometeus · October 27, 2000, 13:34

To Stefan

No, these images are not from that movie... and only one is scanned...

The definive map look ( for now...

)

Same image posted before, after a map and Terrain1 file adjustment ( take a look and make comparisons ). Kull, i get rid of your favourite beast, sorry...

The Balhas lake and Cu-Talas rivers look a lot different now, don't you think ?

Ok, it worked... "siore e siori", from top to low side, Forest, Plains, Steppes, Mountains, Hills, Yayla-Mountain Pastures, Mountains again

and then High Mountains ( hmmm too much dark colour... damn ! ).
[Nacchio !!!

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BeBro · October 27, 2000, 14:23

Wow, these units look excellent!

I haven´t any knowledge about Kok-Turks, but I think this will be a great scn! Prometeus, all your scn are for MGE? Lets hope that it can be successful converted for FW...

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