Civ3 Conquests' Missing Civ! - Page 2

Jon Shafer · November 10, 2003, 14:24

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Originally posted by Alexander01
Excellent! So do they use the Austria setup that was previously made, or is it simply superimposed on top of another civilization?

In other words, is the Austria civ in the scenario really Austria, or is it another civ renamed as Austria?

It's it's own real civ.

The civs for Conquests were picked based upon what would be useful/necessary in the actual Conquest scenarios. That's why you find civs like Portugal, Netherlands, Austria, etc. and not more "diverse" civs like from Africa and such.

kring · November 10, 2003, 14:27

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Originally posted by Alexander01
Excellent! So do they use the Austria setup that was previously made, or is it simply superimposed on top of another civilization?

In other words, is the Austria civ in the scenario really Austria, or is it another civ renamed as Austria?

There are only 12 civs in Napoleonic Europe.

Alexander I · November 10, 2003, 14:36

So they use the Austrian civ they made in the Napoleon scenario? The bonafide Austrian civ?

Wernazuma III · November 10, 2003, 15:04

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Originally posted by Ckibler

Yes. Open up the "Napoleonic Europe" Conquest, and access the Austria civilization.

I live in Europe. I won't get C3C before ~Nov. 16th and I'm curious.

G'Kar · November 10, 2003, 15:21

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Originally posted by Alexander01
Of course you can add it by removing another civ. My personal choice would be to remove Iroquois. (Seriously , I hate affirmative action civs.)

That's your judgement, which is not much.

How can anyone try to assess the "value" of a civilization whithout experiencing and understanding all civilizations?

There is great worth in civilizations that devoted themselves not to brick and mortar accomplishments but to spiritual and emotional growth.

After all, we are on this planet for only a short while, but we are spiritual beings for much longer; thus spirituality is a much wiser investment.

G'Kar · November 10, 2003, 15:24

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Originally posted by Plotinus
Personally, I'd have liked to see another African kingdom make it - Ghana, perhaps, or Mali, or perhaps the Ethiopians.

That would be great.

vovan · November 10, 2003, 15:46

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Originally posted by Ckibler
Yes. Open up the "Napoleonic Europe" Conquest, and access the Austria civilization.

Charlie!

Where's your custom-tailored, underlined status tag? Did you sneak in unnoticed?

Alexander I · November 10, 2003, 15:47

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Originally posted by G'Kar

How can anyone try to assess the "value" of a civilization whithout experiencing and understanding all civilizations?

There is great worth in civilizations that devoted themselves not to brick and mortar accomplishments but to spiritual and emotional growth.

After all, we are on this planet for only a short while, but we are spiritual beings for much longer; thus spirituality is a much wiser investment.

To each his own, I suppose. However, in games like Civilization 3, the civilizations are more involved in "brick and mortar accomplishments" than "spiritual and emotional growth." It's difficult to render such concepts in the more concrete structure of Civilization 3.

I would not object to the Iroquois if a more accurate rendering of their civilization were possible. You see, the Iroquois were not prone to building Wonders of the World for example. If there were a way to represent the more "tribal" cultures accurately, I'd be all for it. It just doesn't sit right with me to put the Iroquois to building Colosseums like Rome.

They should be focusing on "spiritual and emotional growth" to quote G'Kar again, an aspect which is not present to a great degree in Civ3.

Even the spiritual/religious aspects of the game, like Temples and Cathedrals, are "brick and mortar accomplishments."

Ckibler · November 10, 2003, 15:59

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Originally posted by Alexander01
Excellent! So do they use the Austria setup that was previously made, or is it simply superimposed on top of another civilization?

In other words, is the Austria civ in the scenario really Austria, or is it another civ renamed as Austria?

Yes, I guess Austria is really Austria.

Alexander I · November 10, 2003, 16:01

Wonderful! So at least our Austrian cousins aren't totally banished from the world of Civ3. They have their spotlight in the Napoleon scenario! Bravo!

Admiral PJ · November 10, 2003, 16:03

Alexander dosen't seem to understand about civilisation and history.. maybe he was taught a biased history in German schools, perhaps he simply likes war games.. as many of us do.

The iroquois can build wonders as much as any other civilisation like America or Germany, Egypt.. like all civilisations , they start as tribes and become civilisations when they begin trading and work together to make peaceful cities and develop tools and technologies.. farming, hunting etc.

All people are the same, it is only an artificial cultural difference in education and religion etc that create different civilisation states. Humans are one species.

Later wonders and great science and religions were born , race does not much affect these.

I think there should be another north american civ.. the Sioux were fun, or Inuit even.

I would prefer to see American civ coming later from a revolution of English/German colonies. I see them as a tribal native american civ early on .. as there were no americans truly , until about 1600.

Alexander I · November 10, 2003, 16:23

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Originally posted by Admiral PJ
Alexander dosen't seem to understand about civilisation and history.. maybe he was taught a biased history in German schools, perhaps he simply likes war games.. as many of us do.

The Iroquois can build wonders as much as any other civilisation like America or Germany, Egypt.. like all civilisations , they start as tribes and become civilisations when they begin trading and work together to make peaceful cities and develop tools and technologies.. farming, hunting etc.

All people are the same, it is only an artificial cultural difference in education and religion etc that create different civilisation states. Humans are one species.

Later wonders and great science and religions were born , race does not much affect these.

I think there should be another north american civ.. the Sioux were fun, or Inuit even.

I would prefer to see American civ coming later from a revolution of English/German colonies. I see them as a tribal native american civ early on .. as there were no americans truly , until about 1600.

Whoa there, Tiger!

I didn't mean to imply that any one race or civilization is better than any other. We are all diverse, unique, and of equal worth. Human life and rights are of paramount importance.

By the way, I find your remark about "biased history in German schools" to be rather insulting. I'll have you know that I'm more English than anything else. I'm first-generation American, from English & German immigrants.

And yes, I do think it a little bit silly to have an American civ at 4000 B.C. piddling around in the Bronze Age!

The point is, what makes a civilization qualify for Civilization 3? I would venture to say it can be for a number of factors, including:

Size
Cultural Contribution
Longevity

That includes the "big" civs. like England, Rome, etc.

But I'm sure Civ's makers didn't want to overlook other areas of the world's population. The North American natives are a significant and important cultural group, but did not achieve "the wonders" of some of their neighbors (i.e. written history, etc.). They were not to be excluded, but obviously a silly conglomerate like CtP's "Native Americans" was not the right option. Thus, the Iroqouis with their confederacy of tribes, are included in Civ3.

They didn't have a great empire, like Rome, or build magnificent Pyramids, like Egypt, or create a society that has lasted in one form or another for over a thousand years, like the English. But they represent a significant group of the world's inhabitants.

pikesfan · November 10, 2003, 21:49

If I were going to make Civ 4, for all those people who complain that this or that civilization in the game I would add five new civilizations:

The Andorrans
The Sanmarinese
The Liechtensteiners
The Monégasques and
The Vaticanese

pikesfan · November 10, 2003, 21:49

If I were going to make Civ 4, for all those people who complain that this or that civilization doesn’t belong in the game I would add five new civilizations:

The Andorrans
The Sanmarinese
The Liechtensteiners
The Monégasques and
The Vaticanese

Alexander I · November 11, 2003, 14:31

Haha!

Now that would certainly make things interesting, wouldn't it?

Novaya Havoc · November 11, 2003, 14:32

!!! You forgot the Luxembourgers!!!

Wernazuma III · November 11, 2003, 14:51

And the Färöerians, Tuvaluans, St.Kitts-and-Nevisians...

Brent · November 11, 2003, 18:08

hmm, I wonder... would the Vaticanese be Religious?? heehee...

Brundlefly · November 12, 2003, 11:38

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Originally posted by pikesfan
If I were going to make Civ 4, for all those people who complain that this or that civilization doesn’t belong in the game I would add five new civilizations:

The Andorrans
The Sanmarinese
The Liechtensteiners
The Monégasques and
The Vaticanese

Don't forget the Amish...

Alexander I · November 17, 2003, 14:09

Yes, we MUSTN'T Forget the Amish...

And Civ4 had better have Chad in it too. Yes, the Saharan nation of Chad!

pauli · November 17, 2003, 14:52

the sealanders!

(and petoria)

Alexander I · November 17, 2003, 14:56

And the Zeelanders (a branch of the Dutch)!

And the New Zealanders!

And the Maoris (a separate civ from the afore mentioned New Zealanders)!

NaZ · November 17, 2003, 15:21

Dont forget the Antarticans, the Inuits, the Brazilians, the Polyneasians, the list goes on and on!

Brundlefly · November 17, 2003, 15:46

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Originally posted by NaZ
Dont forget the Antarticans,

A race of penguins?

Faboba · November 17, 2003, 16:09

Why has no one said 'And the Iraquis' yet?

Seriously though... you would have a hard time arguing there isn't a ominously large cultural overlap between Germany and Austria. Am I the only one who disagrees with Bismarck and cohorts over the whole Kleindeutsch/grossedeutsch thing?

Sinapus · November 17, 2003, 17:23

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Originally posted by Faboba
Why has no one said 'And the Iraquis' yet?

Um... because the Babylonians are already there?

Alexander I · November 17, 2003, 18:15

No, no!

The modern Iraqis are of a different gene-stock than the ancient Babylonians, and thus, they deserve their own civ-slot as well!

NaZ · November 18, 2003, 03:26

Not penguins, just... colonists (with penguin warriors as a UU)

NaZ · November 18, 2003, 03:27

The Iraqis are semi-included as the Babyloanians and the Arabs so the ME would be too cramped!

Brundlefly · November 18, 2003, 11:27

Does anyone know if a modified conquests .biq exists that contains Austria?? There is no biq shipped with the game that contains Austria (except for scenarios). Someone needs to make one...I am too lazy to do it..