"Nominated Players Tourney", Round 2

cavebear · April 9, 2000, 10:06

The Round 2 pairings are set:

(Host listed first)

Jedi vs War4Ever
Markus vs Carnide
Mark Everson vs Aritea
Nappy vs Curumbor
Alexander's Horse vs Finbar
KenThur vs Crustacian
Empress vs SmartFart
CapTVK vs Deity

I'll also be emailing this to participants...

Good hunting, and may the better players win!

April 9, 2000, 10:16

ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! FINNNNNNNNNnn!!!

cavebear · April 9, 2000, 10:21

Round 2 settings:

Deity level, 1x1x, small map, archipelagos, 3 billion years, roving bands.

You are each playing someone with the same Round 1 outcome. If there are scheduling difficulties, please let me know, and I will try and work something out.

Please take the time at game start to assure that the game is fair and the host has no advantage in tech.

CapTVK · April 9, 2000, 10:25

Mark Everson vs Aritea hmmm... coincidence?

This should be an interesting match!

April 9, 2000, 10:31

My tips:

War4

Markus

Mark Everson

Horse

Crustacian

Smartfart

Deity

CapTVK · April 9, 2000, 10:41

No odds? Here's my prediction (%=chance of winning)

War4 60%

Markus 50%

Mark Everson 50% (this is gonna be close!)

Horse 40%

Crustacian 45% (Kenthur does have some experience under his belt)

Smartfart 60% (no offence Empress)

Deity (X) (I'm gonna leave this a secret!)

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cavebear · April 9, 2000, 11:01

Cap - LOL! I know you are just joking, but this is a good opportunity to explain how the pairings work.

No, it really is coincidence, mostly. Swiss pairing is partly arranged and partly random. A few players indicated that they could not host, and I also try and alternate hosting (like alternating who gets white in chess). And opponents must be matched with those of the same (or closest) scores.

After those are taken into account, the pairings are random within the groupings. There are 3 games where the Round 2 host also hosted in Round 1, but that is because there a 3 players who cannot host. It is pretty unlikely that someone who hosted both duels will host the 3rd round MP game. It's not impossible, but there is a built-in bias against it.

Yes, Mark E vs Aritea will be an interesting match, but there are others (that did not occur) that would have been fascinating as well (Aritea vs Markus for example).

I hope they all turn out to be great duels. Then, it will be on to the MP games!

finbar · April 9, 2000, 11:12

Uncle Bart's ready and waiting, Light Fingers!

Let's Elope?

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finbar
Mono Rules!
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arii · April 9, 2000, 15:10

I think carnide-markus is a great matchup too.

cavebear · April 9, 2000, 16:11

I have to admit that I am most intruigued by the Carnide/Markus duel. Some games are perfection, some games are fast armies, but I have a sense of "lethalness" when it comes to those two!

Empress · April 9, 2000, 17:18

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by CapTVK on 04-09-2000 10:41 AM</font>
No odds? Here's my prediction (%=chance of winning)
Smartfart 60% (no offence Empress)

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None taken.

In fact since I'm just in this for fun lets make it.... 80%

cavebear · April 9, 2000, 17:30

"5 kreplas on the man with the red belt, and 50 dupasz on the tall one".

"No." said the second, "25 kreplas on the *opponent* of the red belt, and 40 dupasz on the lady at 1-5 odds"!

CapTVK · April 9, 2000, 17:33

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Empress on 04-09-2000 05:18 PM</font>
None taken.

In fact since I'm just in this for fun lets make it.... 80%

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80%!...The odds are getting better and better, the bookies are gonna have a field day!

cavebear · April 9, 2000, 17:41

If it weren't improper for the organizer to have an opinion on the outcomes..........

markusf · April 9, 2000, 18:36

ahhhhhhh noooooooooooooooo not carnide *lol*

Good thing as host i get to pick the settings. The problem when playing carnide is you have to play ICS

Its impossible to attack him once the game gets rolling, and i can think of very few people who want to attack 60 -70 cities. This is going to be one hell of a bribe war if we start off close to each other. Can't say i am to trilled about this game

I can't wait to play in the MP games.

You get a new icq number carnide?

Jedi518 · April 9, 2000, 19:04

Archipalago? boy this will be interesting...
anyways, i wont be able to play weekdays war4ever, so schedule some evening time in next weekend, 6 pm pacific is usually good for FRi, Sat, but i play earlier on Sundays

April 9, 2000, 20:25

hey finbart (he he), Think Big

SmartFart · April 9, 2000, 21:39

Empress: i hope you can host this one,since i am not very good host.

Any day is fine w/ me since i have 2 weeks off (maybe more).

carnide_ · April 9, 2000, 22:03

I just played markus. Was a good game.
He won. He was so far ahead in the power graph!!
I guess I will have to learn a few new tricks.

markusf · April 9, 2000, 22:11

We even started 2 times, but i had the MDL rules.txt the first time so we played agian.
Carnide didn't build any wonders and i built, lighthouse, HG and Mikes. near the end i had 2 times as many cities and units as him. I am not usually the waring type but its the only way to win against you

It was a nice 90 min game.

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arii · April 10, 2000, 13:10

Congrats markus this is an impressive win. My game with mark is underway it probably won't be that 1 sided.

Jedi518 · April 10, 2000, 18:27

My game with War is very interesting...so far we havent had any big war and its like 1200 ad or something....a very evenly matched game

Empress · April 10, 2000, 18:51

Smartfart,
Looking forward to our game tonight at 8 est

cavebear · April 10, 2000, 20:25

Congratulations to Markus. I have entered the results in the tourney log.

Nappy · April 10, 2000, 23:08

Curumbor...let me know when you are avaiable to start our 2nd round game. If Wed. night works for you I can be available by 8:30 pm EDT. Otherwise, maybe we can find some hours over the weekend.

SmartFart · April 11, 2000, 00:03

Empress and myself got our duel finished.
She wasn't short of bad luck.
I build my capital on chokepoint wich separated 2 parts of continent.
That left 95% of terrain to me

With such a start,it wasn't so hard to won that game.

I had terrible misfortune in my duel with Nappy,and great luck in my duel with Empress.
I think 'better in two' could eliminate luck.
But since tournament already started,there's not much we can do now.

cavebear · April 11, 2000, 20:10

SmartFart - I've registered your win.

Concerning the "luck" factor: I agree it could make a better tourney, though it would have to be a longer one (part of the purpose is to expose players to opponents they might not normally play, so there would need to be more rounds of play).

If this works out right, most players will have participated in a game with most of the other players in one round or another.

Your description of the game with Empress raises a problem I had hoped to have solved by now - unequal maps and starting positions. I had not understood how difficult map-making would be, and had assumed I could provide fair ones with little effort. And, indeed, maps are fairly easy to create. I have several which would have prevented Empress's dilemma.

Unfortunately, making them for 2-player games proved a problem, and I am only now overcoming them. I spent too much time trying to assure the starting resources and techs were balanced and undervalued the simple fact of overall map flexibility.

It is my belief that no player should be "doomed from the start" by virtue of the map itself. Just too late for Round 2, I came up with maps that allowed considerable freedom of land *and* sea opportunities AND gave decent starting positions (with well-distributed resources) for both players. It takes a few starts to get the techs balanced, but I think that is worth the effort.

I intend to apply that principle to MP maps for the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Canadian War Beaver · April 13, 2000, 17:05

hello everyone....... with a few password problems here at apolyton my old monicker of War4ever is lost 4ever, so my new monicker is "Canadian War Beaver" ..... so let me be known as that from now on

cheers and sorry for my lack of posting but i have been unabale since almost the first of the month

Canadian War Beaver · April 15, 2000, 01:24

well its over and Jedi won..... kudos to him on a well played match

Some costly errors on my part and some nice strategy on Jedis...... Fundy sure helped him LOL

Oh well, where to go from here

perhaps i need to rethink strat again

... either that or i just suck...... ah well

Jedi518 · April 15, 2000, 01:34

Oh boy, im 2-0....and that was actually my favorite duels ever played!! I got to use a nice little strategy i never did had a chance in a 1on1. Although it was sort of odd using crusadars in the 1700's.

anyways, im looking foward for those MP games