Am I Jesus II?

[Whaleboy]

You want odds?
The first (Prince Charles) is very likely, but may be difficult to get proof. Odds that it's proven: evens. Odds that some newspaper runs a story on it: 1/5 against (It will happen).
The second is pretty doubtful. I'll give you of 20/1, being that it has to be an accident, as said.
Considering bookies take bets of 40/1 on their being a white christmas, you're not going to get decent odds at all on that. Depends on your definition of a white christmas too. If you want to bet, it will likely be 1/40 against type odds.

For heavens sake, take a bloody joke! Not everything in the world is up for an amateurish critical analysis

Hmmm... like you constant "I do this better than you" about things of which you have no knowledge of the other persons ability has nothing to do with the size of your ego? Boastful jokes are one thing, but done that often, and so many times seeming trying to make yourself feel better and others worse

You have suprisingly little knowledge about me, imo clouded by a not inconsiderable number of prejudices, assumptions and stereotypes, a geocentric attitude when dealing with other people and an inability to perceive from others POV, usually necessary in my experience to get on with me. For example, nobody else, to whom I present the ideas here takes it literally, nor should they for I do not honestly believe I am god, and even when I make the philosophical points that could be used to justify that position, they recognise the metaphorical nature of that position. With regards to my attitude, I know what I'm good at, and I'm not about to mollycoddle peoples sensitivities and insecurities by playing modest. As you well know, I am the first to admit when I am lacking or incompetent at a given field, hence I keep to my own fortes when I cannot learn a new one.

Nonetheless, you have yet to provide me with an example of me "trying to make others feel worse", indeed I would be unpleasantly shocked if you do not realise the extent to which that is against my nature. I remember our old altruism debates. If my confidence plays in your insecurities, then all you have to do is tell me so and I will adjust that demeanor accordingly when in your company.

Understand this however, in my life thus far, and for the forseeable future, I have needed and will continue to need a degree of external, self-imposed and even inherent confidence, foolhardiness and bloody-mindedness, not to mention an objective sense of self honesty. I am a good debater, a good critical analyst, a good scientist, a good thinker, a good writer, a good communicator, have an effective theory of mind and a competant masseure. In some of those fields, I feel honestly within myself that I am better than good, I'm not going to cloud my own judgement with a vineer of politically correct humility where unnecessary. I can paraphrase much you have said that shows that we share that trait. "I am better read, more cultured and more intelligent than most people" (in a conversation a while back about vicky on msn), and not to mention dozens of allusions to your undoubtable capabilities in your specialist field of economics... to which you have received nothing but encouragement and agreement from me.

In a choice between confidence, even the over-bearing nature that you seem to imply (that I question), and a state of insecurity, failure to function in my talents and a passive personality, then I will not hesitate in choosing the former, nor should anyone that wishes to blaze a proverbial trail.

Back to the thread.

I believe that we all have, to some extent, the ability to predict the future, in the sense that our brains seem to have the ability to evaluate probabilities, create for us self-fullfilling prophecies, and give us that famed "gut instinct". That does not of course preclude the low odds of a given event occuring, but perhaps our gut instinct gives us a greater ability than conscious would allow to evaluate those odds... that fabled "sixth sense" that most of us at some time feel we have.

[st_swithin]

I see dead white people.

[Q Classic]

sorry, i didn't mean to leave their bodies lying around.

[Whaleboy]

[Verres]

Or alternatively....continue trading insults. Its quite fun to read.

[Verres]

Drogue, Whaleboy, accept you are both better than each other

[Provost Harrison]

You two should try insecurity and self doubt one of these days, you would find it an eye opener...

[Whaleboy]

You two should try insecurity and self doubt one of these days, you would find it an eye opener...

Been there, done that, started smoking pot again.

[Drogue]

Sorry about the rant Was not intended to sound as insulting as it seemed

Originally posted by Whaleboy
For heavens sake, take a bloody joke! Not everything in the world is up for an amateurish critical analysis

Lol, nah, I just like gambling

Originally posted by Whaleboy
For example, nobody else, to whom I present the ideas here takes it literally

Of course I don't take the Jesus idea literally. I was meaning with regards to the conversation we had the other day.

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Understand this however, in my life thus far, and for the forseeable future, I have needed and will continue to need a degree of external, self-imposed and even inherent confidence, foolhardiness and bloody-mindedness, not to mention an objective sense of self honesty. I am a good debater, a good critical analyst, a good scientist, a good thinker, a good writer, a good communicator, have an effective theory of mind and a competant masseure. In some of those fields, I feel honestly within myself that I am better than good, I'm not going to cloud my own judgement with a vineer of politically correct humility where unnecessary. I can paraphrase much you have said that shows that we share that trait. "I am better read, more cultured and more intelligent than most people" (in a conversation a while back about vicky on msn)

All very true. I agree that you are. I simply don't like it when I'm told you better than me at something that you have no knowledge as to my abilities. Such as when we were in town the other day, discussing photography, and you decide to suddenly say "of course I'm better at this than you". That would be tactless, IMHO, at any time, but when you had not seen a picture of mine previously, and thus had no knowledge, it seemed silly to me.

Anyways, my post was not meant to be the flame it looks like, re-reading it. I am sorry for that. It was not with regards to this thread, it was simply a reaction at what was said the other day, coupled with frustration at the time. With hindsight, it was a stupid post

[st_swithin]

Once a month, I bleed better than any of you guys.

[Whaleboy]

@st_swithin

[Provost Harrison]

Arrogance is a big error, and will end up being the person's downfall Drogue...

[Urban Ranger]

Nothing like dragging other people down, eh, Rich?

[st_swithin]

Arrogance is great if no one ever calls you on it. It's easy to get called here in text-world, but very rarely will people have the cajones to call you in RL.

Actually, my definition of arrogance is synonymous with 'bullsh1t".

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
...

How would I determine that I am the messiah?

Here's a few give aways.

1) Can you walk on water?

2) Can you turn water into wine?

3) Can you raise the dead?

4) Can you spontaneously feed 1,000s of people using a couple of loaves and a few fish?

5) Are you so knowledgable you can out argue Terry Waite, the Pope's leading Inquisition advisor and Peter Mandelson at the same time?

Nah. I didn't think so.

[Theben]

Originally posted by st_swithin
Once a month, I bleed better than any of you guys.

I beg to differ. I use leeches on a monthly basis myself.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Nothing like dragging other people down, eh, Rich?

Absolutely, we all have to get our kicks somehow

[st_swithin]

Originally posted by Theben


I beg to differ. I use leeches on a monthly basis myself.

Whereas my talent is such that I need no external vector.

[Whaleboy]

Actually, my definition of arrogance is synonymous with 'bullsh1t".

But that would mean that I'm arrogant!!

1) Can you walk on water?

Very, very shallow frozen water. Yes.

2) Can you turn water into wine?

With the addition of rotting grapes? Yes.

3) Can you raise the dead?

Oh please. I've already got the ghosts of John Stuart Mill, Jim Morrison, Haydn and Woodrow Wilson on my arse. People spinning in their graves merely don't have sufficient angular momentum to rise out of them and wreak their terrible vengeance upon this sodomising planet. The effectiveness of the coffin industry is something not subject to divine intervention.

4) Can you spontaneously feed 1,000s of people using a couple of loaves and a few fish?

Look at the name . Will require a degree of self sacrifice though... but I'm told that I taste nice....

5) Are you so knowledgable you can out argue Terry Waite, the Pope's leading Inquisition advisor and Peter Mandelson at the same time?

You got me there. I'm not ready to face off with Peter "Judas" Mandelson yet....

Whereas my talent is such that I need no external vector.

Are you some kind of miraculous blood producing being? Such a phenomenon must be studied!!

[st_swithin]

Yes. Never trust something that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die.

[Whaleboy]

@st_swithin
I have a new god!

[st_swithin]

Hey! All I need are 9,999 more followers and I can start my own religion!!

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I have a new god!

Mr Garrison?

[Whaleboy]

All I need are 9,999 more followers and I can start my own religion!!

9,996

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by st_swithin
Yes. Never trust something that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die.

You too?

[Whaleboy]

5 days is pretty heavy isn't it?

[st_swithin]

Heh, I only said 5 because Mr Garrison said 5. Actually, it's more like 3-4.