November 14, 2003, 13:16
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Prince
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Policeman not working?
What causes them to not work? I have some cities where they have no effect (playing in a multiplayer LAN game ) and others where they work fine. (Corruption in the police department?  )
The cities where it didn't work were all pretty far out, so maybe it has something to do with rank being greater than OCN. Has anyone been able to isolate this?
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November 14, 2003, 13:18
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Well, I assume they reduce corruption by a set percentage, each. If a city has too high a rank (which would also mean it's far-flung), then say a 5% reduction won't do anything.
Better to use civil engineers to build stuff (to keep the city happy/let it grow) and then taxmen or scientists.
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November 14, 2003, 14:32
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That thought had occured to me. As far as I can tell, though, they convert 1 shield and 1 commerce from corrupt to not corrupt. (Assuming they work at all) Since they don't ever convert just one trade or two trade and one shield (even in cities with just a few shields before corruption is applied) I don't believe that they work on a percentage basis.
For example, a city with 5 shields, 4 of which are corrupt and 15 trade, 14 of which are corrupt get 1 less corrupt shield and 1 less corrupt trade converting a tax collector or scientist to a policeman. (and two of each if you convert two) Another city with 5 shields (4 corrupt) and 5 trade(4 corrupt) sees exactly the same modification. That is true for every city I tried it for, assuming the policemen actually work at all.
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November 14, 2003, 15:09
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Sounds fishy.
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November 14, 2003, 15:32
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Hmm. That does sound odd.
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November 14, 2003, 16:17
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Police not working sounds fishy? Odd?
Hmmm... perhaps they've gone for donuts?
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November 14, 2003, 16:36
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Originally posted by Gyromancer
As far as I can tell, though, they convert 1 shield and 1 commerce from corrupt to not corrupt.
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This is correct, as long as the city is not at maximum corruption.
According to the corruption formula, a city can have more than 100% corruption. This of course is not possible, so there is a 95% cap. If a city is getting this cap benefit, the police specialists don't work.
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November 14, 2003, 16:46
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That makes sense. I thought it was something like that going on. Thanks for the reply, O great master of corruption.... 
(hmm that didn't come out right....  )
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November 14, 2003, 17:06
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So your choices are +2 shields (civil engineer), +1 shield/+1 commerce (policeman), +2 tax (taxman), or +3 science (scientist).
Hmm. Do the policeman effects then get modified by city improvements? If not, why would you ever use one, given the other options (civil engineer and scientist especially)?
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November 14, 2003, 17:10
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Yes, the policeman gets modified by city improvements, so one of these guys can be worth as much as 3 shields and 3 commerce.
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November 14, 2003, 17:17
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Right. I need to play around with this some more... now that I've got a game in the mid-industrial age with my core cities up past the number of tiles they can work (due to RR'd irrigation), I should be using policemen in the core cities.
I'm so used to just using taxmen. Must adjust to new rules.
-Arrian
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November 14, 2003, 18:13
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Yes, the policeman gets modified by city improvements, so one of these guys can be worth as much as 3 shields and 3 commerce.
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Where policemen are most needed IMO are in your really corrupt cities and they have no effect there. Perhaps their effect should be reversed with diminishing returns when used in less corrupt cities.
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November 14, 2003, 18:16
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Stoppit! 
[Edit: completely changed the content of this post, after dexters completely changed his  ]
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November 14, 2003, 18:38
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haha!
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November 14, 2003, 20:42
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I second dexters' suggestion. Policemen should be a tool for where they are needed, not just a nice bonus to inner cities.
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November 15, 2003, 05:16
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And I though policemen made corrution?
Now I am sure I can trust them...
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