November 22, 2003, 11:24
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November 22, 2003, 11:31
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November 22, 2003, 11:33
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It seems it's all because one grumpy old man wont let go.?
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November 22, 2003, 12:09
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Maybe so... but the country is very much FUBAR, anyway.... it was so great to live there during the SU, now, it's falling apart.... 
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November 22, 2003, 14:50
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I thought Georgia was turning things around for the better. This isn't good to see. 
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November 22, 2003, 15:16
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I don't get it. Shevarnadze was the good guy during the last years of the USSR.
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November 23, 2003, 13:53
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I know, he was one of the masterminds behind the perestroika, but ended up a Caucasus version of Mugabe.
He has resigned now, btw
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November 23, 2003, 23:16
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He was always a f*****.
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November 23, 2003, 23:52
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'Washington's State Department has called for calm in "reaching a compromise solution acceptable to all and in the interest of Georgia." '
Thats a great way to stall while they find Georgia on the map for Bush and explain to him its history.
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November 24, 2003, 06:04
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I remember a tv program about Georgia and one of its citizens claiming that it had two great sons in past century; Stalin and Shevarnadze
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November 24, 2003, 08:33
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Damn, I hope none of our posters in Atlanta get hurt...
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November 24, 2003, 10:25
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To Bush and all the warmongers out there: Democracy and freedom can be realised without violence.
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November 24, 2003, 10:46
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CNN had portrayed this as a bloodless revolution -- but will it actually bring about a more equitable democracy??
I guess time will tell -- unless the current government decides to use military brute force to begin the bloodshed.
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November 24, 2003, 19:18
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Will no one sing "the devil went down to georgia" right now?
The people wanted Shevarnadze gone, and it's nice to see bloodshed was averted.
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November 24, 2003, 19:48
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To Bush and all the warmongers out there: Democracy and freedom can be realised without violence.
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Because this kind of thing happens often? 
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November 24, 2003, 21:11
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Georgia on your mind?
Take the midnight train down to Georgia and strike a deal with the Devil.
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November 24, 2003, 21:55
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Originally posted by Sikander
Georgia on your mind?
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I thought it was "Going to Carolina in my mind"
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November 24, 2003, 22:03
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I agree with Serb.  
Georgia is an example of the dark side of the fall of the SU that the capitalists don't want you to see.
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November 25, 2003, 00:37
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Damn, I hope none of our posters in Atlanta get hurt...
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What does Plato's lost continent have to do with the Caucasus? 
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November 25, 2003, 02:38
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Georgia is an example of the dark side of the fall of the SU that the capitalists don't want you to see.
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'Cause Shevardnadze was really a big capitalist...
The leftist Fez strikes again.
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November 25, 2003, 03:25
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Never liked the old bastard. What happened is in particular a result of his petty pet-state politics. It is sad though that he was ousted through a coup d'etat. It's even more sad that hardcore nationalists may come to power in this situation.
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November 25, 2003, 03:31
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Originally posted by Heresson
I remember a tv program about Georgia and one of its citizens claiming that it had two great sons in past century; Stalin and Shevarnadze
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One of them built a great empire, the other dismissed it. 
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Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.
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November 25, 2003, 03:34
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
'Cause Shevardnadze was really a big capitalist...
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Not sure about "capitalist", but he was really a big bastard...
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November 25, 2003, 03:49
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The leftist Fez strikes again.
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Don't be so hard on Fez. He's at least occasionally amusing.
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November 25, 2003, 04:11
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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To Bush and all the warmongers out there: Democracy and freedom can be realised without violence.
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Because this kind of thing happens often?
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Happend in Serbia not long ago
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November 25, 2003, 08:12
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Because this kind of thing happens often?
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From time to time. Seeing scenes from Georgia reminded me of Belgrade a few years ago. Not to mention several bloodless revolutions after the fall of the Wall.
And it happends as often as Democracy that was brought by military intervention. 
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November 25, 2003, 09:22
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the thing with shevardnadze of georgian infamy is that to me the name reminds me too much of scheherazade of arabian nights fame.
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November 25, 2003, 09:25
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When I am Russia in Civ 2 or 3, Tbilisi is always one of my favorite cities to build because it is fun to say. As rome i like building Cumae too for the same reason
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November 25, 2003, 11:20
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Well it seems it's sorted now.
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November 25, 2003, 11:22
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The fall of the SU brought pain and misery to a lot of people.
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