Drone Diplomatic Exchanges - Page 4

Skanky Burns · February 2, 2004, 06:18

I agree with Tass. You should continue to sign with your Poly nick rather than your real name. If he catches on, oh well. If he doesn't though, then this whole espionage thing isn't our fault.

Maniac · February 2, 2004, 10:21

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Hmm....This is kind of bordering.....

Ok, I'll keep it in mind for next messages (if there will be at least).

GeoModder · February 2, 2004, 22:35

Is the message sended? Or is their a delay for some reason?

Sorry, a bit

about this topic

Drogue · February 2, 2004, 22:45

IMHO we should stop now. Sure, we might gain, but it's unfairly, and kinda ruins the fun somewhat. It will harm our relations with them, and possibly with the Hive if they are told, and is dishonest. I don't know why he fell for it so well, it may be a trap, and some disinformation. Either way, I think stopping might be a good idea. Although if the rest want to continue, I will of course bow to them.

GeoModder · February 2, 2004, 22:50

So, for making sure I know how it happened and how far it has gone:

Maniac sended the message about how the Drones would feel of accepting PEACE members after conquest of their faction.

Buster thinks Maniac's message comes from PEACE, gives a response and sends later intel to Maniac about us.

Then the whole discussion starts in this forum of how to benefit from this, but it stays at that? Apart from what I just mentioned above nothing has been sended our received?

Illuminatus · February 3, 2004, 05:53

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Originally posted by Drogue
IMHO we should stop now. Sure, we might gain, but it's unfairly, and kinda ruins the fun somewhat. It will harm our relations with them, and possibly with the Hive if they are told, and is dishonest. I don't know why he fell for it so well, it may be a trap, and some disinformation. Either way, I think stopping might be a good idea. Although if the rest want to continue, I will of course bow to them.

How can it be dishonest? We did not pretend that we are PEACE - Buster didn`t read the end of the message. Is this our fault? If Hive founds out about it if will rather rethink about competence of Drones as a pactbrother. How can exploting someone`s stupidity be dishonest if we are not doing anything forbidden.

Drogue · February 3, 2004, 06:42

It is dishonest because when we realised they had made a mistake, we kept it from them. We have deliberately witheld information from them. What would be honest would be saying "I think you sent that to the wrong faction". I think it's a mistake of their's we're obviously exploiting. But since we're at war with them, I don't really have a problem.

Illuminatus · February 3, 2004, 06:51

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Originally posted by Drogue
It is dishonest because when we realised they had made a mistake, we kept it from them. We have deliberately witheld information from them. What would be honest would be saying "I think you sent that to the wrong faction". I think it's a mistake of their's we're obviously exploiting. But since we're at war with them, I don't really have a problem.

He didn`t send to wrong faction - he didn`t realize what faction we are!

And in war in love everything is allowed, but we are not in love with Drones.

Maniac · February 3, 2004, 09:15

He probably has realized it already, because he hasn't yet responded to my latest message.

Illuminatus · February 3, 2004, 15:47

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Originally posted by Maniac
He probably has realized it already, because he hasn't yet responded to my latest message.

Would it be better that we announce what has happened just in case he tries to blame us for spying?

Impaler[WrG] · February 3, 2004, 17:30

Let him make the next move.

If he tells everyone then we point out how much of a fool he is and he is discredited.

If he tells the Hive secretly then he still looks folish to them.

If he hasent realized what he's done then this is best of all.

In any case we should remain silent, if we are lucky perhaps we can eliminate the Pirates before they conduct an exchange of Adaptive Econ and the Drones will be forced to trade with us for that tec.

Maniac · February 3, 2004, 20:34

How about EAF Drogue or another cyborg sends this message to the Drones?

Hello Foreman buster,

As you have probably heard, the Cybernetic Consciousness and Planet University of Technology have unified. This of course has implications for your war against PUT. Before PUT was a juicy target, and you were wise to attack it. But now this is no longer the case: we are prepared to defend the University with the full might of our military. Unlike PUT we have less pacifist builder instincts: instead we have shown ourselves to be formidable and capable tacticians in war.

However we are willing to forgive your previous probe actions against PUT if you stop them right now. We think doing so would be in your advantage, and continuing your current line of action would lead to a fruitless conflict for you. We can offer several reasons for that statement:

1> You have already stolen all technology there is to obtain from PUT.

2> If you would conquer a PUT base, you would be probed raped to death, as the tiny PUT continent is swarming with librarians. With our vast empire, losing one or even a couple of bases is worth it if we get infiltration and a few of your techs in exchange.

3> But the most important reason of all: A full-scale war between us would require many resources that could be spent elsewhere, and in the meanwhile the Hive would sit aside and laugh, seeing us fight while they grow even stronger and stronger. You may feel you have a firm pact with the Hive and think they'll be on your side, but remember that they made us the same promises they probably made you: permapact, co-operative victory etcetera... The Hive has shrewd diplomats, well able to set up other factions against each other while they remain out of shot because of their promises. Have a look at these recent Hivean PM extracts for example, sent after our CC-PUT unification:

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If you attack the Drones we will definitely help you. Then we can get our revenge. Don't even ask

Quote:

Doc:Int was a trade with the Drones, who got it by giving NonLinMath to the PEACE, I think. I'm not sure.

Its possible the Drones and PEACE are permapacted. I don't know.

Isn't it obvious that the Hive are just playing us out against each other, and that they have no intention of helping either of us?
Granted, in the recent past you have been able to cooperate much more with the Hive than us. But your heavy discussion with the Hive on who got to build the Cloudbase Academy for example shows that they may not have the same level of cooperation in mind as you might wish. And your cooperation was while you were a more powerful faction and thus a better trading partner than us. Now we have most likely become equally if not more powerful than you, so it wouldn't be surprising if the Hiveans switched allegiances to the faction that can give them the biggest benefits. So if I were you , I would very carefully watch your back, instead of storming ahead to try and attack PUT.

For these reasons we would like to offer you a truce. Hopefully we can again live peacefully side by side, and even form again a level of trust and come to cooperation, so that the Hive doesn't gain all the fruits of playing us out against each other.

Friendly greetings,

Mani Alpha-3
Prime Function of the Cybernetic Consciousness
Member of the Motherboard of the CPU (Central Processing Unit: central government of the Consciousness-Planetary University)

Illuminatus · February 4, 2004, 05:19

Send it allready

laurentius · February 4, 2004, 05:23

Maniac, just send it...

anyway what if the revelation wasnt a mistake? What if they are doing us a favor?

GeoModder · February 4, 2004, 16:03

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Originally posted by laurentius
Maniac, just send it...

anyway what if the revelation wasnt a mistake? What if they are doing us a favor?

What you mean? The slip of tongue message from Buster?

And what favour do you see in it?

For Maniac, if the message isn't sended yet, I agree to do so. All should be tried to stop a full scale war.

Illuminatus · February 4, 2004, 16:15

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Originally posted by GeoModder

What you mean? The slip of tongue message from Buster?

And what favour do you see in it?

For Maniac, if the message isn't sended yet, I agree to do so. All should be tried to stop a full scale war.

Enter chat CPU room - you will learn about Laurentius`s theories.

Maniac · February 4, 2004, 16:35

I'm there.

GeoModder · February 4, 2004, 16:38

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Originally posted by Maniac
I'm there.

And I can't

Damn it why isn't there an easy installment!

Maniac · February 4, 2004, 16:40

Installing it here took one minute.

Edit: message above sent, but the quotes of Jamski's PMs excluded.

Drogue · February 5, 2004, 11:35

Has it been sent? If not, should I send it?

Maniac · February 5, 2004, 11:42

Sent it yesterday.

Drogue · February 5, 2004, 12:05

thanks. Don't expect we'll see a reply for a while though

Maniac · February 5, 2004, 13:52

Got one fifteen minutes ago. Send something back, or wait on a further reply of buster?

Re: Oficial message CC-PUT->Drones

Though I am not sure I agree on the strength evaluation, it is acknowledged that the cc / put fusion means we will need to re-evaluate our strategy.

On the Put incident as you have surmised we simply wanted to rip off some techs. The plane attack was made to get rid of probe defense rather than as the first shot of an invasion and FYI no invasion fleet has taken off heading for uni.

I will dicussing this matter with my teammates and let you know where we stand.

regards
buster

Drogue · February 5, 2004, 15:21

Either don't bother, or send one back saying "thanks for the honest reply, look forward to seeing what your team thinks" sorta thing, IMHO.

Or I can?

Illuminatus · February 5, 2004, 16:10

He is probably planning to pact with Hive and attack us.

GeoModder · February 5, 2004, 16:56

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Originally posted by obstructor
He is probably planning to pact with Hive and attack us.

Probably, but if in the next turn that transport has redrawn, our diplomaty has done it's thing: winning time for our units to go north and producing sufficient defenses in PU (the C is not under threat on the moment

)

Illuminatus · February 6, 2004, 07:41

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Originally posted by GeoModder

Probably, but if in the next turn that transport has redrawn, our diplomaty has done it's thing: winning time for our units to go north and producing sufficient defenses in PU (the C is not under threat on the moment

)

But if he doesn`t...

GeoModder · February 6, 2004, 09:00

... then Ragnarok has started. Luckily PEACE is almost finished. Perhaps after Pampalona is taken, our task forces should split to Atlantis and Calico.
Anyway, I'm almost hoping Buster takes Gold Coast. We can easily infiltrate him then

It would be to bad for losing that base, but our tech grabbing would be tremendous

Drogue · February 6, 2004, 10:51

Exactly. We probe rape him, and then take it back

Unless he lands a lot of probes

But hey, we have enough, we're covered either way

GeoModder · February 6, 2004, 18:27

mmm, yes? Haven't checked yet

but those librarians have 2 movement points, yes?
Can't look now, end of my break and need to back to work.