Foreign Affairs Committee (FAC)

Snowflake · November 25, 2003, 11:41

This thread is created for discussions regarding diplomatic issues. People need to familiarize themselves with the following issues: (This is an initial list and should be amended and updated by everybody who has additional thoughts.)

1. Diplomatic relationship with other factions. Who are our pact brothers, who do we have a treaty with, and who are at war with us.
2. Trading with other factions. Gathering suggestions from the other department for our needs of techs and prototypes and see if we could find suitable trade that fulfills our need. Also following up other factions' proposed trade.
3. Maintain and update various Embassies. Convey diplomatic messages from and to the Hive.
4. Maintain the Covert Operations Report.

The discussion should happen here and the final desicion should be posted in the command and control thread by whoever is responsible for the CFR.

The diplomatic negotiation threads with other factions can be found here:
Drones
CyCons
PEACE
University

Snowflake · November 29, 2003, 17:50

Oct are you going to lead this discussion? What's happening with uni regarding trade of eco eng?

Octavian X · November 30, 2003, 03:32

I'm just getting back into the swing of things, and haven't heard anything about a Uni trade. Care to fill me in on the details?

Yes, I can do what I can to lead whatever discussion occurs here.

Also, if you're curious, Kody's online on Apolyton's irc server in room #discus. If you're new to IRC, use the java applet who's link is on all forum pages, and once connected, type '/join #discus'

Snowflake · November 30, 2003, 12:02

We have proposed a trade with uni: all of our techs and commlinks with their eco eng. I think they have never replied. They now have a scout on our land but we have not found it. It was Kody's turn that he found the scout and but he was writing to tell everybody about this and didn't get his turn in before Jamski. Maybe we should contact uni again just to see where things are. But we shouldn't act like we know about the scout since we are supposed not know that yet.

Octavian X · November 30, 2003, 16:20

Ok, thanks. I'll start writing a message to the Uni, as well as organizing a structure for the Commission.

Snowflake · December 1, 2003, 12:05

Are you going to post your message/idea here or in the Uni negotiation thread?

I do not really believe that uni would trade eco eng to us. We are about 3 turns away from it ourselves. Not sure if we could tell them this so that they would think the trade is beneficial to them since they would gain something and we are getting it soon anyway. Maybe just tell them we are at the point to getting it (without telling them the specific number of years) and any delay would lead to failure of the trade negotiation. If we get the trade before we finish it ourselves then we could switch to the next tech and finish it almost instaneously.

In this case the negotiation skills are very crucial. We need to let them feel that it is to their benefit since they are getting more techs while we would be getting the tech anyway by ourselves. Also they may feel they are in need of AP if they are planning to invade us. We should try foster this and let them laugh that we are supplying them what they are going to use against us and forget that we would get the next tech quickly and can almost catch up with them in getting enviromental economics.

Snowflake · December 1, 2003, 12:08

They could get AP from the PEACE but depending on how deep their relationship is PEACE may want to milk them for more. This is another reason that we should try to trade with uni before PEACE trade with them or we declare vendette to them.

Snowflake · December 1, 2003, 13:40

I have talked to the CyCon about the current Hive situation. Message posted in the CC negotiation thread. We still need to figure out the trade with them.

I have also conveyed our request of 3+ armor unit to the Drones. I will post the message in the Drones negotiation thread when I find it.

Snowflake · December 1, 2003, 15:07

Also who knows what's been happening with regard to PEACE? We are pact brothers after all. Shouldn't there be more going on?

Snowflake · December 1, 2003, 17:03

CC's found out the Drone's Ambassy and made it public at CGN. I suppose somebody should contact PEACE and let them know we are still their friends (even if we didn't have an embassy with them). Maybe we even need to build an embassy for them, just as a gesture, even if it will not be used much.

Voltaire · December 1, 2003, 18:07

Very good point about PEACE, except they have never been very communicable (they were the ones that let the communications lapse), who do we contact?

Snowflake · December 1, 2003, 18:13

I thought Flubber is their ambassador. I guess we can simply drop them a note of hello showing that we haven't forgot about them.

Voltaire · December 1, 2003, 18:20

Message sent to Flubber and Hercules:

Quote:

Greetings form the Human Hive, we would like to inform our longstanding friends and allies that the government of the Hive has retuned to normal, and we would like to resume our diplomatic relations with PEACE. If you have any offer please contact me personally, and I will communicate it back to the Hive on your behalf.

-Chairman Voltaire

Octavian X · December 2, 2003, 00:30

Message to University's MinuteMirage and GeneralTacitus

Quote:

Greetings to the Staff of the Planet University of Technology!

First of all, I feel it appropriate to inform the University of the Hive's current situation. For the time being, I am the head comissioner of Foreign Relations. I ask that all communications be sent to either myself or Chairman Voltaire.

Secondly, we wish to revive previous discussions involving a trade of all our current techs and commlinks for ecological engineering. We hope that the University will act quickly regarding this deal, as we expect to have eco eng within the next few years.

Thank you,
Octavian X
Comissioner of Foriegn Relations of the Human Hive

Snowflake · December 2, 2003, 02:41

So now we have Voltaire for PEACE, Oct for univ and me for CC. Do we need somebody to replace Kody for Drones?

Voltaire · December 2, 2003, 16:47

Reply form PEACE:

Quote:

Thak you for the message kind sir

I will contact my government and see what offers may be on available.

Flubber

dacole · December 2, 2003, 19:44

Have you recieved a reply from the drones on our request for the 1-3-1 prototype? Need that asap and can easily give them the unit back after we have it for a turn. We are not asking for the tech right that would slow down our research to much to my mind.

Octavian X · December 2, 2003, 20:08

As for the Drones, I'd much rather that someone who's better at SMAC than I handle them. HongHu, would you be willing to step up and go double duty?

Snowflake · December 3, 2003, 01:50

Reply from buster:

Quote:

I will see how we can a get a 1-3-1 to you in one of the next turns. Currently we only have one but it is not far away.

Snowflake · December 3, 2003, 01:51

Yes Comrade Oct, I can fill in the blank until Kody's back for Drone's Ambassador.

Octavian X · December 4, 2003, 01:40

Many thanks, Comrade HongHu.

No response from the Uni as of yet...

Snowflake · December 5, 2003, 11:14

Message received from CC regarding potential information trade. I'd like to have some discussion. Especially from CMC I would like to know if we would like to trade prototye unit for the info they needed. If so what unit do you recommand?

Snowflake · December 5, 2003, 11:14

Also of curiosity is that uni has approached CC for AP while we are offering them this tech.

Octavian X · December 5, 2003, 23:41

HongHu, if it isn't too much inconvience, next time we get a message from another nation, I ask that you post the whole message. Do the same when you send a message. This is for the benefit of all citizens.

Quote:

Greatings Honored Hivarian Diplomat, I bring a Comunicay from the Cybernetic Conciounus:

Cycon is interested in aquiring the F4 and F7 screens of PEACE. We are prepared to offer a sum of Energy Credits as we know you are currently uninterested in tecnologies. It should be know that this information like all information becomes inheriently less valuable the longer it is delayed in reaching us and it is vitavl to restart diplomatic relations and conduct the desired exchange whial it reamains mutualy benifitial.

Conserning PUT. They have asked us for Aplied Physics which they lack. We are hoping that we can get ecological Enginering from them in exchange, though this seems unlikly at best. We would much rather obtain Ecological Enginering from a trusted faction like the Hive then from a potentialy advasary, and we worry that PUT might start reaserching Military tecnologies once they have the Pre-Reqs. If you know what PUT is currently researching this could help us to perhaps mutualy exploit the situation somehow. Though we thank you for the offer PUT information is not currently required by our networks, though it might be desirble to aquire it at some later date. We were curious if the offer was tied into Votes or not and how you view the Vote issue.

Pacting as you know is not possible in the imediate future but we are hopefull it will be conducted as the earliest Possible convenience.

Snowflake · December 5, 2003, 23:49

Sorry I should have made it more clear earlier. I have posted it in the CC negotiation thread here. There's a follow up message also. And there's already some discussions about it. I thought that I should post individual faction related info in the thread of that faction so this thread can be used for coordinating things and not get things mixed up. But I could certainly post all future messages here if you think that we should use one thread instead of four individual threads for each factions. (btw there's some messages from Drones in the Drone's negotiation thread also in case you haven't see them.)

Octavian X · December 6, 2003, 03:47

*Octavian kicks himself several times in the ass.

Snowflake · December 12, 2003, 16:33

It is suggested that the Drones will call a governor election next turn (our 2150 turn). They'll have 49 votes we will likely have 60 votes. CC will likely to vote for us (23 votes) that'll make it to 83 votes. Uni and Miariam will likely abstain. If Roze vote for Drones because she is at war with us then Drones will get 91 votes. But she also might abstain. Should we contact PEACE and ask them to vote for us?

Octavian X · December 12, 2003, 20:35

Actually, it may be better if the Drones ask the Pirates to vote for us. It might seem rather brash of us to ask the Pirates, and they may be more willing to help out if another team is supporting us.

Snowflake · December 12, 2003, 21:05

Well it may sound odd if the Drones do not ask PEACE to support itself. I mean they are going to vote for themselves after all.

Voltaire · December 13, 2003, 20:49

What do the Drones think, we should agree beforehand on which of us should get the position of Planetary Governor, that way we are not in direct competition for it, but the others will still think we are.