this must be the most stupid town in the world if not even in the USA

oedo · November 28, 2003, 19:35

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Kan. town requires homes to have guns

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

GEUDA SPRINGS, Kan. -- Residents of this tiny south-central Kansas community have passed an ordinance requiring most households to have guns and ammunition.
Noncomplying residents would be fined $10 under the ordinance, passed 3-2 earlier this month by City Council members who thought it would help protect the town of 210 people. Those who suffer from physical or mental disabilities, paupers and people who conscientiously oppose firearms would be exempt.
"This ordinance fulfills the duty to protect by allowing each individual householder to provide for his or her protection," said Councilman John Brewer.
"This is simply using the U.S. Constitution - Second Amendment in particular - to the city of Geuda Springs' advantage."
Geuda Springs has no local police force; the Sumner County Sheriff's department is responsible for policing the area. Sheriff Gerald Gilkey said the ordinance makes him concerned for the safety of his officers.
"This throws up red flags," he said.
The town's city attorney, Thomas Herlocker, also opposes the measure, which has not taken effect because it has yet to be published. He said he plans to ask the council to reverse itself on the issue. The council meets next on Dec. 1.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, declined to comment on the legality of such an ordinance, which is similar to one passed in Kennesaw, Ga., 21 years ago that is still in effect.
Many Geuda Springs residents refused to talk about it, and others were tightlipped, saying outsiders should stay out of it.
"It's nobody's business but our own," said Phillip Russell, who owns a motorcycle shop in the town. "Everybody out of town is making this their business."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...=Gun%20Mandate

and the best thing on it: since they have no police force, how will they ever get one cent frome these "criminals"?

Geuda Springs

SlowwHand · November 28, 2003, 19:40

New Castle, where my dad is from, has a population of 619 and a night watchman.
Meth labs have taken over.
Sounds like this place might be onto something.

The Mad Monk · November 28, 2003, 19:42

Just came back from the range, fired 150 rounds with a 9mm pistol, and another 100 rounds with a forty-year-old .38 special.

I like the .38 better -- it's got history, and I'm much more accurate with it.

reds4ever · November 28, 2003, 19:47

Misleading thread title surely? Isn't the most stupid town in America ALWAYS the most stupid town in the world? They have so much strength in depth....

monkspider · November 28, 2003, 19:47

I live pretty close to this town.

mrmitchell · November 28, 2003, 19:48

Is it just as horrendous to require citizens to have something than to require them to not have it?

(Yes, yes, I know it said there was exceptions for short-bus-riders, etc., and objectors to guns and related policy. But it's a relevant topic regardless.)

SlowwHand · November 28, 2003, 19:52

Short bus riders?
Is that considered a hate crime, shooting a short bus rider?

Spec · November 28, 2003, 20:10

Stupid Americans....

Oh, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Spec.

Chemical Ollie · November 28, 2003, 20:29

Reminds me of Sweden. Everything that isn't forbidden is compulsory

DinoDoc · November 28, 2003, 20:46

Out of curiosity, don't the Swiss have compulsory gun ownership?

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 21:35

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Short bus riders?
Is that considered a hate crime, shooting a short bus rider?

"Short bus" = The bus the retarded kids came to school in.

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 21:37

Oh, and compulsory gun ownership is nothing new. Over 20 years ago the city of Kennesaw GA had a similar outcry, with the same predictable hand-wringing that's going on here.

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 21:44

Hand-wringing? Certainly you'd think it a bit much if somebody forced you to buy a car or a TV?

They're being dicks...

Oerdin · November 28, 2003, 21:45

Giving everyone guns is the best thing that could happen to the human species. The reason is all of the morons will shoot themselves and there will be fewer idiots in the gene pool.

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 21:46

Unfortunately the morons also have a tendency to take a few with them.

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 21:48

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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Hand-wringing? Certainly you'd think it a bit much if somebody forced you to buy a car or a TV?

They're being dicks...

Elect them out if you don't like it. Hell, idiots in this country have even elected socialists to office and the Republic still stands. I think a town of 200-odd people whom

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Residents of this tiny south-central Kansas community have passed an ordinance

of their own free will, even if you disagree with it, doesn't even merit a mention.

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 21:52

Ummm...the last time I checked there were limits to legislative powers, most particularly to protect minorities against the dictatorship of the majority. If I don't want to buy a gun or keep one in my house, or am just too damn lazy to get one then it really shouldn't be any of your business...

Wouldn't you be a bit pissed off if your neighbours told you to buy an electric blender?

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 21:55

My neighbors raise my taxes all the time. To pay for their school, to pay for their roads, to pay for whatever. There is no difference whatsoever in forcing people by legislative fiat to purchase a specific item, or forcing them to pay more taxes in order to provide them with "free" quantities of that item.

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 21:59

Taxation is a valid point of interest for your neighbours. What I buy with my money shouldn't be...

If I'm not raising ebola-infested monkeys in my basement then it's not any of your business...

Koyaanisqatsi · November 28, 2003, 22:01

Governments require that people buy things all the time for public safety...

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 22:02

If your neighbors wanted to "force" everybody to pay $50 for a gun, how is that different from your neighbors raising everybody's taxes by a like amount so the government can hand out "free" guns? Or health care? Or whatever?

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 22:02

Not for just living somewhere they don't...

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 22:03

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Originally posted by JohnT
If your neighbors wanted to tax everybody $50 to buy a gun, how is that different from your neighbors raising everybody's taxes by a like amount so the government can hand out "free" guns?

Because then I don't have to keep a gun in my house. If they want to raise taxes and hand out a free gun to whoever wants one, then I'd be okay with it...

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 22:07

Naw, the difference is you like health care, not guns.

But seriously, this is the same principle the Left has been beating the uneducated about the head for the past 150 years: Nanny state, the government knows better in its collective wisdom than you do with your individual presumptions, crapola like that. Why do you not go for it here, when you proclaim its efficacy elsewhere?

KrazyHorse · November 28, 2003, 22:10

I just said I have no problem with raising taxes and giving out free guns. I might disagree with it, but it doesn't piss me off like this does.

My government doesn't force me to go to the doctor...it just pays for me when I do go.

Oerdin · November 28, 2003, 22:17

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Originally posted by JohnT
My neighbors raise my taxes all the time. To pay for their school, to pay for their roads, to pay for whatever.

We haven't stopped them but at least in California we've made it harder for these people looking for "freebies". Making them get a 2/3 majority instead of a simple majority sure does slow down the tax increases.

Grandpa Troll · November 28, 2003, 22:24

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Just came back from the range, fired 150 rounds with a 9mm pistol, and another 100 rounds with a forty-year-old .38 special.

I like the .38 better -- it's got history, and I'm much more accurate with it.

Me too!

When I was with the B.I.A. (Bureau of Indian Affairs) in the 70's I carried a Model 10 Smith & Wesson and used a CCI Super Sphere rated at 1280 fsc (Hollow Point,Copper-Jacket)

I too fel it is an all around good handgun.

I however still favor what i used in the Military Police, Colt .45!

As for the response for the thread about the citizens being "forced" or "required" to stock an arsenal of any size, I am against this for if folks have a firearms cache then they may use first and ask second, for without proper training a person could be innocently killed, with a larger caliber firearm in the hands of a novice, make that a NERVOUS-NOVICE IN AN INTENSE situation they may "pull" the trigger and miss the intended intruder and kill an innocent bystander, even a child or a neighbor coming to their aid..

Just my unsolicited $0.02 worth is all

Peace

Grandpa Troll

P.S.

Is this the picture of the Town Councilman whom came up with this?

JohnT · November 28, 2003, 22:27

"As for the response for the thread about the citizens being "forced" or "required" to stock an arsenal of any size, I am against this for if folks have a firearms cache then they may use first and ask second, for without proper training a person could be innocently killed, with a larger caliber firearm in the hands of a novice, make that a NERVOUS-NOVICE IN AN INTENSE situation they may "pull" the trigger and miss the intended intruder and kill an innocent bystander, even a child or a neighbor coming to their aid.."

The best argument against this idea yet.

Nubclear · November 28, 2003, 22:56

"This is no different than simply raising taxes!!!"

One of the advantages of living here in Utah is that it is largely seperated from American maddness

Ben Kenobi · November 28, 2003, 22:56

If you don't want to buy the gun, just conscientiously object. The bill provides this loophole, and does not seem to restrict who may conscientiously object.

That's what makes this requirement laughable.