Nuclear War II

[DrSpike]

Hehe I knew you'd enjoy the info. However, as Jamski will confirm I told him at the start who was in the alliance and not to nuke them.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by DrSpike
However, as Jamski will confirm

"However, as the President will confirm," Began Rummie, as he began to stand up to these accusation..
"I do NOT have control over his actions. Right Mr. President?"

[DrSpike]

See what you did Jamski? You've given the commie madman some ammunition.

[Nubclear]

So you admit that it has some weight? One could take that as an admission of guilt....

I'll let the alliance members judge for themselves

[DrSpike]

The alliance is strong don't you worry, and it will survive to nuke our enemies even after my death I'm sure.

[Asmodean]

Grrr...Sandman. This means war

Asmodean

Edit: Oh yeah...orders sent

[Adagio]

Sorry for the delay... I've updated the site, but wont post it here, since I'm busy now...

[Asmodean]

Originally posted by ADG
I've updated the site,

Asmodean

[Nubclear]

For some reason, ADGs site won't let me copy paste it, so....

SANDMAN: Gained Arhus and Odense from Asmodean w/ PROPAGANDA
AZAZEL: Propaganda on Jamskis MOSCOW.
DR SPIKE: Propaganda against Haifa & Beer Sheva from AZAZEL
VLAD: Tel Aviv & Moscow from AZAZEL
Jamski: 3 Nukes towards GT: Hit Bandakar, Poyais, and Antioch. GT can now nuke Jamski. And in fact....
GENERALTACTICUS: Either nuked or propaganda "Stalingrad" from JAMSKI.
Skanky: Deflected to Nuker
ASMODEAN was SABATOGED by SANDMAN!!!

PEOPLE NOW DEAD:
Comrade Tassadar
Pave
Jamski
Asmodean
Spaced Cowboy

PEOPLE STILL ALIVE:
Sandman
Skanky
GT
Vlad
Azazel
DrSpike
Sheep

CITIES:
Dr Spike: Helsinki, Haifa, Beer Sheva
Skanky: Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, Utah, China, Heinola, Paversia City
Sandman: Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, Copenhagen, Aalborg, Arhus, Odense
GT: Tamarang, Stalingrad
Vlad: Athens, Piraeus, Delos, Marathon, Egesta, Tel Aviv, Moscow
Sheep: Lambston, Fort Jesus, Chopsu, Sheep Springs, Neveria
Azazel: Jerusalem (Ha!)

PROJECTED WINNER: None yet.
PROJECTED LOSER(S): Azazel, GT, Dr. Spike

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Asmodean


Asmodean

Check my sign

[Nubclear]

I'm a leo

[vovan]

Here we go:

[Az]

I think it's rather clear that democracy is too powerful, isn't it?

[Adagio]

Yep... got an idea how to make them less powerful?

[Nubclear]

Perhaps we should completly retool them to become the spy gods?
Eg every 1 spy counts as 2, come with 2 at the beginning, "Build spy" order buils 2,
with minuses being cannot issue aggressive orders to non-democratic players unless they have attacked you first, and cannot nuke democratic players unless they've issued aggressive orders against you first.

Or one could do a killing "Must Declare War" rule for democracies....But that's too big a minus IMO.

[DrSpike]

Nerf teh d3m0!.............d3m0 0wnz0rz u!

[Nubclear]

Yo yo yo, j00 bad!!!!!

[Skanky Burns]

d3m0 r0x05z j005 b0x05z!!

Propaganda itself is too overpowered. For example, nuking someone removes one city from the target. So thats a total of 1 city multiplied by however many nukes you send out.

Propaganda removes one city from the target too. But it then increases your own cities by 1 as well, making it twice as effective as nukes are.

[DrSpike]

2 cities is way overpowered. But let's let the democracies fight it out and in the meantime we can come up with a way to balance the govts. Or we can do what I said we should do last time and use the NW1 rules but with spies added.

[Sandman]

Orders sent.

[Skanky Burns]

Personally I'd rather just get rid of propaganda and govts and revert back to original rules, but with spies added. Too difficult to balance.

[Vlad Antlerkov]

You could remove propping altogether. Unfortunately, this takes away Demo's only advantage.

I'd propose making propping probability-based--that is, for govts other than Demo, you'd need to roll a 1 or 2 on a 1d8 to pull it off. For Demo, it'd be a 1 or 2 on a 1d6 (or 1d4!) instead.

Or keep it as is, but Demo players start with 2 cities?

[Nubclear]

Let's simplify things a bit:

Democracy: An extra hide in bunker.
Communism: An extra spy each turn.
Militarism: An extra nuke each turn.

[Skanky Burns]

No-one would use democracy if its only advantage was an extra hiding in bunker. Isolationalistismers got 3 hide-in-bunkers, and yet there is only 1 person left using that government.

[Asmodean]

For general rules, I think that Democracies should have to post their orders in public. I didn't think so at the beginning, but seeing how powerful they are..........

And no...this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I just got creamed by a democracy

Asmodean

[Jon Miller]

if I might make a suggestion

have democracy be able to build 2 cities per turn (instead of one)

make it so that if nukes are being stockpiled, and a city is destroyed, that a nuke is destroyed also

Jon Miller

[Asmodean]

Oh yeah....and this should go for all governments:

If you choose a sabotage mission for your spy, you shouldn't be able to carry out other orders for that turn.

Also, if you set your spy to observe, you shuold get the info prior to posting your order for that turn. That way you can act on the information on the same turn.

Asmodean

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Personally I'd rather just get rid of propaganda and govts and revert back to original rules, but with spies added. Too difficult to balance.

Good idea Skanky.......I wish I'd thought of that. Two posts before yours would have been nice.

[Skanky Burns]

It was my way of saying I agree with you.

[DrSpike]

Well it's customary to quote the post and say something like "DrSpike, as always you are right".