Tales from the Diplomatic Front IX......

The Capo · June 12, 2000, 22:36

We started Diplo IX (Sorry Joe, we waited a good hour for ya). Things are pretty good so far, no complaints on anything yet. Here is the official string, so members of Diplo IX please post here. thank you!

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill

One Love.

JDI_Falcon · June 12, 2000, 23:53

No problem, can I still get in though? I had something to do, and I didn't know we were starting later so I left when no one was on at 6pm EST. Everything is cool with me as long as I can get in.

Ithil · June 13, 2000, 01:11

I *suppose* you could take the AI, I left a spot before I realized seven weren't joining... They are the Zulus.

common_terry · June 13, 2000, 01:15

I am Eisenhower, Consul of the English.
You can call me Ike.

London was built on the ancient lake of Mexico at the heart of the Mexican continent. It is a happy land warmed by the hearts of its people and by the power of the sun.

We will have a peaceful world!
Beware the military industrial complex.
It will warp your will. Keep the people happy!
People want luxeries. Life is more enjoyable.

We propose world peace. Our scientists should work toward developing the power of the sun. It already powers all life on earth. We propose all nations work to acieve the goal of using this power for other uses. We hope to achieve this Solar Power Project within 5000 years of the start of civilization.

If any civilization wishes to join us in the Solar Power Project, come to Mexico. Any civilization arriving in Mexico, (called by some North America), shall be offered The Republic and Philosophy upon entering in an alliance to develop solar power. After some time and a buildup of trust, we shall offer one of the cities in tundra and foests of Northern Mexico. We will have some very nice cities to offer!

The Capo · June 13, 2000, 08:06

The Roma Tribune
1700 b.c.
1 Gold

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Caesar christens (wierd use of word since Christ hasn't been born yet, but whatever) Manifest Destiny Project.

1800 b.c., Roma Imperial - Roman Dictator Julius Caesar has named his new project the "Manifest Destiny" project, in which certain areas of the planet will come under Roman control by the end of the b.c. ages, when asked exactly what the project meant to Rome and the world at large, Roman domestic advisor Scipio said "The Manifest Destiny Project garuntees Roman settlers in certain areas of the world, while at this time we would not like to disclose those areas, the project deems that Rome will use whatever force necissary to garuntee settlement of these areas." Dictator Ceasar declined to comment on the project.

Roman tax surplus at an all time high!

1700 b.c., Antioch - The Roman coffers may need to pump some irons, if they are to carry the new load of Roman money headed into our nation's wealth. Roman tax decreases have not even come close to stopping the quickly growing tax surplus. The Roman tax surplus, only two hundred years ago was a modest one gold per annum, has now risen to a very healthy ten gold per turn, growing by nearly 1000% (yes that is one thousand percent). Many factors could be attributed to this alarming rise in Roman funds, but most experts agree that the new Markets in Alexandria, and Antioch have a very important effect on these new rates.

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Land agreement made with Poland

1800 b.c, Damascus - The Great Casimir of Poland and our own Dictator Julius Caesar have made a land agreement giving a very fair proportion of land to Rome, while leaving a very good, if not larger peice to the Polish. Caesar was said to be quite jovial about the meetings and expects them to provide much more benefits in later years.

Romans make contact with Zulus, Zulus make contact with Roman steel!

1800 b.c, Caspain Sea - A sad day has dawned upon Rome, Zulu soldiers were seen off the coast of the Caspain sea, Proteus Maximus, Centurion of the Roman party saw the Zulu soldiers and attempted to make contact. When talks went awry our Roman soldiers did what they do best, buried their swords deep into the Zulu Swine leaving all but one of them dead. Bakai Mpondo, the captured soldier is being brought to Rome for purposes of translating the Zulu language. It is unkown at this time what the Roman Legion has planned from Bakai Mpondo.
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Curumbor Elendil · June 13, 2000, 08:59

Newspapers in 1700 BC! You must be having a good game indeed.

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Curumbor Elendil
jason.sorens@yale.edu
ICQ 56126989

The Capo · June 13, 2000, 17:08

It is six eastern right now, we are going to try and play in a half our depending on who is online, so if you get online now e-mail me your ICQ name and Zone name if you are gonna play my E-Mail is NKreefer@aol.com, this would probably be easiest so I can get everything situated.

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill

One Love.

Running Water · June 13, 2000, 17:58

What follows is an excerpt from the book “Stories of the First Few Sioux,” written circa 1500 B.C., author unknown. It is considered one of the best sources for the early history of the Sioux nation, however, much of it must have been derived from legend and stories passed on from generation to generation, as more than 2000 years passed between some of the events described and the date of publication.

Excerpt,
(Taken from Chapter One: Gaia and Little Bighorn)

Gaia looked at his people. Ever since he had proven his strength by slaying the leaders of each of the nine Sioux tribes, everyone followed his orders. What kind of a name was Gaia anyway? That was what they insisted on calling him anyway. They all stood there, waiting for his orders. How had he united these people? It was almost as if they worshiped him.

“Let us head this way; we will follow the river.” They obeyed and followed. Why were these people united? Since he could remember, the Sioux, which was what these people insisted on calling themselves, had been hunters. They would hunt for food in small packs and migrate as the food migrated. Why would they suddenly have interests in “settling down,” as they called it?

Within two day’s journey, Gaia and his band of Sioux found that the river drained into a large, vast, seemingly endless body of water. As Gaia peered out into the water, trying to decide, well, a lot of things, Scarta, came up beside him. Scarta, was one of the young fellows who had first suggested that the tribes should be united and that the Sioux should “settle down.” He could see change in Scarta’s eyes, and determination too. But why had they chosen him to unite? After all, he wasn’t young like Scarta and the others, he wasn’t old either. He had slayed nine tribal cheiftains!

Scarta cleared this throat and gave the symbol of servitude: a bow, and then with a palm outstreched towards both the sky and Gaia, uttered his master’s name, “Gaia.”

“What do you seek, Scarta?” Gaia demanded.

“It is time we settled,” Scarta replied, eyes wide. This was the chosen one, Scarta thought. He had bested nine tribal chieftains; he would show us the way!

Simple as that, Gaia thought. ‘It is time we settled.’ Perhaps he’s right. Even though, they worship me, I couldn’t go against their wish. They would just fine a new leader. A new God.

“Perhaps, you are right. Gather others and fine a suitable ground. This ground must be loved and cared for. It gives us life and if it should be harmed, bring it death.”

Scarta obeyed more briskly than he had any of his other orders. This was the one he had been waiting for.

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As the story goes, Scarta and his men found suitable ground nearby, and out of love for contradictions, Gaia (also referred to now, as The Great Gaia and Father Gaia) named this new settlement, Little Bighorn. Excavation records show that this dialog along with the founding of Little Bighorn occured circa 3950 B.C.

The Capo · June 14, 2000, 00:04

The Romans are intelligent people who like to read, necessity is the mother of invention!

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill

One Love.

Ithil · June 14, 2000, 11:39

Chief Historian of the Lunian Empire - 2312 AF

A short summary of A History of the Lunian Empire: Volume I

The story of our realm and its enlightened inhabitants cannot be told in full, for it is still unfolding. A full recitation of the important events involving the genesis and rise to power of the Lunian Empire would take volumes of work. Such a work can be found in the great libraries of our glorious capitol, Lunis. A short summary of this work of knowledge is, however, in order. The common man cannot devote time and study to the history of our land, but he should have some knowledge of it.

Our story begins 2300 years ago, from which we date our calendar, the founding of Lunis. A little known fact is that, in actuality, Lunis was not founded in 0 AF, as the dating notation would suggest (after founding). Rather, 0 AF was when Lunis I organized his tribe of nomads and set out to find a site to begin a farming community, since game was getting scarce, and Lunis's wise men assured him that this would be to the benefit of his tribe. The oracles fortold the birth of a mighty empire on the banks of the Kelset River. Our oral history indicates that Lunis was actually founded around 50 AF, on the banks of the Kelset, with gold and gem deposits assuring profitable trade with neighboring tribes.

During the next thirteen hundred years the Lunian civilization gradually expanded its borders, and the great libraries of Lunis were built by a scholarly-minded ruler. This drastically increased the knowledge of the Lunian people, as crafts, ideas, and tools could reside in a library and not be forgotten. Soon, Lunic science developed at an even greater pace. There is an indication that a power shift took place in the Lunic government at some point in this period, but the records appear to have been tampered with. Then, in 1341 AF, Lunic explorers encountered the English, an advanced civilization of great power and wisdom. The English spoke and wrote in a truly barbaric tongue, but communication was established without too much difficulty. Conversations with the English proved fruitful; a peace treaty was established, and our scholars learned many things that could be applied to the betterment of the Empire.

A border was established north of the Kubrach Isthmus, but after the English founded Coventry on the border somewhere around 1600 AF, we gradually withdrew. It was in 1563 AF that a monumental effort was achieved: the Kubrach Canal. Lunic engineers expanded the natural waterways of the Kubrach Isthmus to provide a way to transport ships between the Landae, to the east and the Estin, to the west. In 1629 AF, the English Consul offered to help Lunic scholars promote literacy if our oracles imparted some of their mystic knowledge. With literacy more widespread, the philosophers of Lunis were able to begin formulation of encompassing ideas of the world around us. With this knowledge, Lunis XLVII believed the intellectual elite of the known world could be attracted to Lunis, thus furthering the wisdom of the Empire. The English however, were working towards this same goal and achieved this result in 1636 AF, many years before the workings of our philosophers began to bear fruit. Although disappointing, this result was expected from the world-renowned philosophers of the English Empire.

In 1838 AF, disaster struck the Lunian Empire. The masses, led by a dissident faction in the Lunian government, revolted against the king and anarchy reigned supreme for 146 years. In 1984, a republic was established by Tamaron, who became First Speaker.

For more than 300 years, Lunia has prospered under a republican form of government, nominally led by Tamaron's line. In this instance our government more resembles a constitutional monarchy, but The Tamarons have proved able rulers, and the present First Speaker, Elentis Tamaron, is no exception.

Note to the contracter: Don't complain to me about the tardiness of this manuscript. I don't recall being payed recently for this - and don't give me that [CENSORED BY EDITOR] about budget restructuring, I don't buy it (because I have no moneeeey).

Note to the Chief Historians of the Sioux and Roman Empires: What is this b.c. dating convention you use? I'd like to have an oracle that could predict events 4000 years in the future...
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The Capo · June 14, 2000, 22:02

B.C. stands for "By Ceasar" it is written that in the age known as "Anno Domini" (After Dominion, or leadership of the Great Empire also konwn as the Dominion of the Great Julius Caesar) the Roman Empire shall be governed by a senate with an appointed Consul.

I got out of that one well I think.

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill

One Love.

Ithil · June 14, 2000, 23:38

Not so fast! Why do your B.C. dates count backwards, eh? :P

Ithil · June 14, 2000, 23:41

How about "Before Consulate?" Are you really going to wait until 1 AD to change to a Republic?

The Capo · June 15, 2000, 10:45

BLAST!

Fine, the Roman conspiracy has been revealed. In a couple thousand years we plan on staging a birth of a prophet, let's just call him "Jesus" in our city of Jerusalem. And we plan on making a huge deal about it in order to control a church, let's call it "Catholic" so that one day we can run an entire continent, for example: Europe, this is just an example now.

Of course we would have to persecute him first, and then embrace his teachings after he is dead so that it looks like we have truley reformed while at the same time getting rid of a possible ambitious person in the process. So its a win win situation for the Romans.

Then in doing so, we will control kings of other lands and even their money! Also we will use Jesus' glorious teachings to further our own political control over the people. Alas our "B.C.-A.D." Project has been compramised, so I guess we will stick to what we Romans do best.

Flat out kicking ass!

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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

-Winston Churchill

One Love.
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Casimir the Great · June 17, 2000, 21:06

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Land agreement made with Poland

1800 b.c, Damascus - The Great Casimir of Poland and our own Dictator Julius Caesar have made a land agreement giving a very fair proportion of land to Rome, while leaving a very good, if not larger peice to the Polish. Caesar was said to be quite jovial about the meetings and expects them to provide much more benefits in later years.

The Polish are pleased about their most friendly meeting with the Roman's. Casimir the Great has been reported to say that he has great respect & admiration for The Roman's & their beloved leader Caesar. Casimir is looking forward to a long & peaceful co-existence with the Roman People.

Mr Dimbleby · June 20, 2000, 10:02

I went to the chiropractor this morning, he said I shouldn't try jumping back into the Hop Ki Do until next week. So, I am now free to Sub if y'all wanted to try playing tonight or Thursday.

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The Capo · June 21, 2000, 09:53

The Roma Tribune
950 b.c.
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Peace Treaty Signed with Zulundi!

Damascus, 1600 b.c- The Zulu and Roman nations have ended their one hundred and twenty-year long struggle for power in central asia. A land pact signed in Damascus garunteed Roman holdings in Persia but gave Zulundi territory on the western coast of India. Defense minister Marc Antony said "The main problem between our nations was that the Zulus wanted viable sea ports, there were hardly any in central asia except for along the Caspain coastline, but that wasn't sufficient for the Zulu goals, since Rome had nothing planned to do with western India, we decided to cede it to the Zulu land claims." With this new pact signed with the Zulus, the Romans have fully siezed Persia with the surrounding nations, the territory has been deemed an official Prefixture, and the Imperial Capital was created in Pisae.

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Irsraeli rebels in Judea cause civil strife!

Jerusalem, 1000 b.c.- Israeli rebels in Jerusalem today caused civil panic, the main cause of displeasure is the fact that the Saudi Arabian lands to the south have been added to the Roman empire, said rebel leader Assma Bental "The Roman empire should not expand to include Muslim lands, the Jews and Muslims have a storied past, this will only cause more problems in the Roman middle east." Said Roman defense minister Marc Antony "I understand Bental's issues with the addition of Arabea into the Roman holdings, however, the Israelites can rest assured that Centurion's have strict orders to protect our citizens, whether they are Jews, Muslims or Polytheists." A garrison of Legions from Antioch were sent in to suppress the civil disorder.

Turkey added to Roman holdings.

Byzantium, 1500 b.c.- The state of Turkey, formally a muslim sheikdom has come under Roman control. The new capital of Byzantium has been established in the north western straights has been deemed an Imperial captial, meaning the area has become an official Prefixture. Citizens in Damascus were outraged, as they have been pulled from the the territory of Judea, and their surrounding lands ceded to the Prefixture of Turkey. Constantine, a former advisor to Julius Caesar was appointed royal governor of the prefixture.

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Julius Caesar and Easthaven of France strike land deal in Europe!

Rheims, 1000 b.c.- A Roman garrison in Gaul has made contact with French ambassadors, impressed with Romes might and gloriously armored Legions, France agreed to meet with Centurion Marcus Areileus. The peace talks went well, the land pact called the Rhemis Pact garuntees Rome the territories of Norselund, Britannia, the Balkan states, and Italy. France was given Spain, Gaul, Germany, Poland and the Ukraine. The signees of the pact agreed to defend its stipulations with war.

Poland breaks Damascus Pact!

Pisae, 950 b.c.- Roman legions reported today that the Polish Kingdom has broken the outlined rules of the Damascus pact. When asked what route Rome will take, Julius Caesar said "We had great trust in the Poles, when we attempted to inform them that they had broken the rules in the Damascus Pact they did not respond, they can rest assured Rome SHALL respond, very quickly!" The situation does not look good, and if this is any indication, Marc Antony has called a military meeting in Pisae, the capital of the Persean prefixture.

~950 b.c.

Mr Dimbleby · June 21, 2000, 10:27

Perhaps you should have informed the Polish sub of the conditions of the "Damascus Pact".
Poland was never contacted by the Romans from 1700bc - 950bc; in 1000bc when the Poles attempted to contact Rome they were sent away.

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The Capo · June 21, 2000, 20:39

Outside of Pisae....

Julius Caesar: People of Persea, I have heard your comments. I have taken into consideration what has transpired between Poland and Rome. I can only assure Poland's great King that we made many attempts to contact the Poles, and I am sure the Zulus can confirm that we reported that the Poles were ignoring us. Be that as it may, Persea is Roman land, and despite the fact that a Polish city lies in it, we will defend our land decisivley. This is our last warning to Poland, and we expect them to take it into consideration. I will now turn things over to my foreign minister, Scipio.

Scipio: Thank you mighty Caesar, your wisdom trancsends earthly boundries. Caesar is a very strong and powerful man, and he talks big. But this situation will not be handled militarily until we are sure Poland has ambitious plans against Rome. The plan at this time is for an ambassador to meet with Poland and iron out the situation. We do not wish conflict with Poland, loss of Roman life is not what we are interested in, nor are we interested in loss of Polish life. We simply want our rightful land returned to us as was outlined in the Damascus Land Pact. We signed this document with Casimir the Great of Poland, we expect his predecessor to live up to the great Casimir's promises. Again, I must stress, we do not wish to fight a war with Poland, but I will turn the floor over to Marc Antony, our great General, Marcus....

Marc Antony: Thank you, people of Rome. While we are not sure how the political issues of the problem will be handled. We do know that if the Pax Romana calls upon her mighty Legions they will respond quickly and with no remorse or mercy for anything not Roman. They are currently on call in the continent of Lybium (Africa), but will be very quick to arrive in the Persean theatre as soon as they are needed, reserves in Europe will not be called into the struggle if one were to arise, as they are defending land holdings promised to Rome by Easthaven of France. Let it be known that Rome holds no grudges towards any nation, we simply do what we must do.

Crowd: Caesar! Caesar! Caesar! Caesar!

Caesar: (holding up his hand) Please, I beg of you, I am but a man!

Crowd: Caesar! Caesar! Caesar! Caesar....

Mr Dimbleby · June 22, 2000, 05:11

I had the King Chat window closed, and it was not activated by any messages. So, if you did not send a message via the foreign minister menu (which you didn't)I did not receive. I talked to both the Sioux and the Zulus, they seemed to have no problems contacting me. If the treaty is that important to you should have informed me what its parameters were Monday night. Lastly, there are no Polish cities in Persia, El Paso (the most westward city in the Polish empire)is located in northern India). Assuming I am still ruling (subbing) in Casimir stead the next time we play, I will not remove any cities on the Empire's western frontier, nor will I expand further west. Take this as the Gospel according to Dimbleby, Peace or War it is up to Rome.

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The Capo · June 22, 2000, 13:14

Message from the office of Roman foreign minister Marcus Arieleus.

To: Polish Governing Body.

Dear Poland,

It has come to the office of Marcus Arieleus of Rome that you have broken the Damascus Land Pact. Two cities that were promised to Rome by Casimir the great of Poland are subject to the treaty, the cities of El Paso and Austin are transgressors upon Roman lands as is outlined in the Damascus Land Pact. Furthermore, I would like to reiderate that the Damascus Land pact denies any Polish holdings west of (70,60) on the map, and likewise denies Rome any holdings to the east of said point.

The Roman ministry is very sorry that you do not seem to have had any contact with Rome, however I can assure you that Rome did make attemps to contact the great King of Poland, and even made remarks to the Zulu king in that regard. If you wish you may contact the Zulus, I can assure you Rome was very displeased with having its comments recieve no responses. Regardless, Rome feels that military action is not needed at this time, as we expect Poland to turn over all cities transgressing the set borderline between Rome and Poland.

However, we would also like to note that Rome is not a nation to be toyed with, and if the statutes set in the Damascus Pact are not abided by, Roman steel may be the only answer to this problem.

Justicia et pax.

Viva La Pax Romana.

M. Arieleus.

Mr Dimbleby · June 22, 2000, 16:40

TO: ROME/EMPEROR
FR: POLAND/EMPEROR
20000622Z1684

NOW THAT THE POLISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN INFORMED OF THE PARAMETERS OF THE [QOUTE]DAMASCUS PACT[QUOTE], THE CITIES OF EL PASO AND AUSTIN WILL BE DISBANDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED DEMASCUS PACT.

HEREAFTER ROME IS REQUESTED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH POLAND VIA ITS FOREIGN MINISTER [F3 KEY]. THE POLISH EMPIRE SUGGESTS THAT AMBASSADORS BE EXCHANGED, TO ESTABLISH EMBASSIES TO INSURE THAT FUTURE UNPLEASANTNESS MAYBE AVOIDED.

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Ithil · June 23, 2000, 14:00

Excerpt from the International Conference of 3082 A.F.
(917 B.C. to use a more generally accepted dating system)

Minas Tamaron, Defender of the Northern March, Arbiter of the Kubrach Canal, Lord of the Western Sea, Sovreign Protector of the Kelset Valley, Revelator of the Great Wilderness, Great Lord Ithil of Lunia, for whom the world stands in awe, greets the ruling councils of the represented Empires of this world.

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Perhaps the greatest indicator of the rise of the Lunian Republic is the tripling of the land area and population we have experienced in the last 750 years. Colonization and defense are the primary aims of the senate, with always a mind to the wisdom of the ages. We have had no disputes with our neighbors, and we expect none. The Senate urges Consul Ike of the English to consider the exchange of wisdom, for we both gain much and lose nothing.

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(I know this is short, but not much happens in South America in relation to the Old World in ~1000 B.C.)

The Capo · June 23, 2000, 19:12

From the Offices of Marcus Arieleus

To: Polish governing body.

In regards to your memo, we thouroughly enjoyed your cooperation with Rome, however feel the disbandment of the cities will take a very long time, and will result in loss of funds from the Polish coffers. We suggest an ulterior method, there can either be money exchanged from Rome in exchange for the ceding of these cities to Rome, or we can replace the settlers lost to create this territory.

Either way we feel the disbandment of these cities is an un-neccessary method. As for the exchanging of ambassadors the Roman advisors to Caesar feel this will be a neccessity in order to garuntee further relations between our nations. However we also feel that a meeting between Rome, Poland and Zulundi would also be needed to avoid all future conflicts in Asia, and to set up peaceful national borders that will help all of our nations coexist in this fertile and beautiful continent.

M. Arieleus

JDI_Falcon · July 5, 2000, 18:37

Here is a map of the Civilizations:
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