The Big Huge Modern War Thread: Part VII - The Fall of France

[JT3]

OOC:
Bill: Get a hold of yourself. It's just a game, nothing to lose life over.

Boy, that would be a great reputation..... "The thread that killed"....

Okay, Nap, please tell me you're not saying that Brazil is making a better tank than the US, please, I don't like yelling.

IC:
To: World

The CTA will stay neutral in the growing number of conflicts around the globe. We do not wish for any more war.

To: Neo Soviet Russia

We will happily attend your conference.

To: Canada

We will hand back all Canadian territories provided that you allow us to keep several ports and mining facilities in them. We will also send you 500 Patriot missles and 100 F-15's to help your small airforce.

[gscott23x3]

CW News June 15-30 2001

CW suspends air asault on UDSA due to internal strife...fears of civil war as military and civilian groups clash

CW armed forces in chaos...President Rossi demands peace in his nation...UDSA refugees pour into northern PA and New Jersey

CW R&D Department passes plans for Gargantua class Tank and Leviathan class superbattleship/carrier...development and testing on the tank to take 2 years while the new warship will take upwards of three...neither will see service until 2006 at the absolute earliest.

June 23, 2001
The Irish Missile streaked toward the CW destroyer. Hit amidships, the ship was soon aflame, but quick damage control saved the vessel from destruction. Seconds after the missile was fired, even before the fire spread on the destroyer, CW counter fire raced towards the shore. Dozens of explosions smashed into the beach and surrounding hills. Smoke quickly concealed the area, but was tinged with orange meaning inferno. Jets from the forrestal launched napalm on the Irish countryside, and the insolent rebels even attempted to shoot one of our F-18s down but failed. This continued for an entire day, with the CW devastating the surrounding area and the Irish continuously returning fire. This could be the beginning of a long CW involvement in Ireland.

To Canada: We were threatened to allow the anti-UDSA nations to use our land as a base or else we would be at war and we dont want that. So while aggressive elements of our military started to participate, the passive ones stood down and now a civil war seems imminent. In other news, we would be more than willing to provide you with some aircraft for your defense and we will even give you some of our active planes seeing that we are waiting new replacements anyway from our hard pressed fctories. You will be provided the following equipment:
96 F-18 Fighters
48 F-16 Fighters
24 A-10 Warthogs

To UK: We are dreadfully sorry to see London reduced to the level of Beirut. It is sad that one of the greatest cities on earth is under siege and we hope our troops change that. Anything you need we will do our utmost to supply in your time of need...King Arthur was destined to return in England's darkest hour and with the death of James Bond , and the siege of London, a good time to return would be now...perhaps England has darker hours yet ahead...either way, the CW will stand with them.

**Top Secret**
Valkyrie Force readied for action...preparing to depart for unknown location.

CW 14th and 15th armies transferred to Rio de Janeiro Brazil for south american liberation campaign...Naval force arrives in Brizilian port as well
Liberation Force
1 Escort Carrier
3 Tarawa Class Landing Ships
2 Cruisers
3 Destroyers
3 Missile Frigates
3 Submarines

To Peru and Brazil: We have arrived in force as we said we would. We will begin attacking July 1 and we will not let up until we feel the chills of Patagonia. Let this grand crusade strengthen our nations and our relationship to each other. Brazil, our troops have been given 1 weeks shore leave, we hope they double your local economy and inspire your people to new heights.

[Scott F]

To the CW:
We wish to purchase two or three Ohio-class nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines and a production license to build Trident missiles.

[Bolo]

OOC: I never thought I'd post on a story thread at Apolyton again, but I find myself reading this one. Just a few questions and some comments.
- "Leviathan class superbattleship/carrier"
This little piece of unrealistic crap needs to decide what it wants to be. Do you want to spend billions on a large Carrier? Or do you want to spend billions on a large obsolete Battleship?
Considering what happened to the big Carrier fleets of Thirdwar I would suggest neither. Instead I would suggest building smaller, stealthier carriers. These Carriers would be easier to build, cheaper to build, and a ton more realistic than what you want to build.
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Napolean, Brazil has no tank works, no established tank building facilities, and no people with experience in building tanks. To say you could build a tank better than the T-90, M-1A2, and Leopard II is idiocy. Just buy your tanks for now, learn how they work and then build one of your own.
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Hey Mods can I have Franco-Spain? I promise to realistic.
[This message has been edited by Bolo (edited March 27, 2000).]

Welcome, Bolo! For all I know, Spartan doesn't post here anymore, so I guess you can take Franco-Spain. It has been attacked by several nations though, and you might need to get them out of your territory first.


After heavy fighting, with over 25.000 casualties on both sides, the stronghold of the Christian rebels in Chad, Moundou, has fallen in Arabian hands. All of Chad has now been pacified, but all involved corps will remain in Africa for the time being. Greater Arabia is hereby volunteering to lead the quest against CW imperialism in Africa, and has offered the nations of Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso and Nigeria defensive help in case they are attacked by imperialist nations.

- Arabian fleet has arrived at Comoros, Comoros have been annexed into Greater Arabia
- Production of the Qubth-ut Allah continues, over 440 have been produced now.
[This message has been edited by BasV (edited March 27, 2000).]

[Scott F]

Map posted to new thread page:

[JT3]

OOC: Bolo beat me to the punch.

Yes, don't try any of that "superbattleshipcarrier" crap, I assure you it won't work, 10 $25,000 torpedoes would quickly sink a billion-dollar superdupership. Smaller, more agile ships are better.

And I also advise you not to make heavy tanks, I will just either have my light tanks drive circles around it and fire or have my artillery fire at a slow, slow target.

Bolo, go ahead and take Franco-Spain, this should be interesting.

[Scott F]

OOC: Hi Bolo. Welcome to the thread and have fun with Franco-Spain.

IC:
Headlines in Der Spiegel:
-Scandinavian techno-terrorists cause havoc, military trains in accident, blackouts in Bayern.
-German forces assist Brazil in Peru in South American offensive.
-Anti-Demesos offensive temporarily halted for humanitarian concerns.
-Foreign Office protests British bombing of German-owned warehouses in Ireland.
-British beef scare continues.
-Army resumes offensive in France

Scandinavia:
To prevent further techno-terrorism from Scandinavian rebels, the German government has cut all non-military communications lines out of Scandinavia. Satellite systems have been shut down. Telephone and data lines have been cut. The government has instituted a new series of security protocols to prevent something like this from ever happening again.

With more 48 more B-52 bombers having been sold to Germany, bombings on rebel positions in Norway are steadily increasing. The rebels continue to hold out, but the air and sea blockade, coupled with continued bombings, has begun to take its toll on the enemy. Many rebels are starving and some partisan groups are out of ammunition and supplies. The supplies which the British gave to the rebels were intercepted by German and Russian forces several days ago.

France:
The German forces, having completed their regrouping and consolidation efforts, have resumed the southward offensive. Near total air superiority is in the hands of the Germans and Italians. As the German Army began to move south, stiff resistance was encountered and German ground forces are steadily advancing, though with heavier casualties. The Spartan forces are fighting a three fronted war and, with their forces divided, complete military collapse seems to be just a matter of time. The Spartan forces have fallen back on Limoges and are continuing to withdraw to the south while putting up a strong fight.

The beleaguered citizens and defenders, after two months of a sustained siege, have surrendered to the commanders of the German Second Army group. German troops for the third time in 150 years, paraded into Paris. Many Parisians who came out to line the streets openly wept at the sight of German panzers rolling into the city and cried as the German flag was raised over Paris

Dispatches from the Foreign Office:
To Russia:
Your assistance in bombing the Spartan forces has been most helpful.
To Chile and Argentina:
We Germans have had the misfortune to be witness to some of the greatest perversions of democracy in history. We know how to recognize it in other nations. Surrender to the Brazilians and Peruvians or die.
To CW:
We away your response to our purchase requests.
To the NSF (formerly Franco-Spain):
Given the possibility of a change in government, we will be willing to commence negotiations for the ending of hostilities at once. Please send your ambassador to the ICQ hotel in Berlin. Given the change in government in your nation, we will be willing to be generous.

[PolarisGL]

Bolo, if you are Franco-Spain, I would like to neogotiate on the purchase of your remaining African territory. The rest was taken by myself in a war, but since a new leader will soon emerge, hostilities should end.

[General_BT]

Brazil has a small tank works... they've already produced tank designs of their own in small numbers (the X1A3...)...

ScotF: you might be interested in knowing that Argentina had to send for special tanks to be made that did not exceed 30tons for the simple reason that they couldn't cross bridges if they were any heavier.
And what about Brazil's lightning *1 POST* campaign??? Not said anything? HUH?? Impartial maybe??

To CTA:
***distress signal from old friend Chile***
S..... O.....S....
***repeating transmission***
s.... O.... S....
We need volunteers! We shall pay well for volunteers that you may send. You may set up military installations in Cape Horn and Easter Island.

To BRAZIL:
Look who complained about lightning, one post campaign.

To PERU:
None of us can benefit from this war.
We do not need this war. Let us re instate our peace treaty.

To THE REST OF THE WORLD:
We are on full mobilisation and are appaled at the unprovoked agression of Germany, Peru and Brazil.
They have no legitimate cause for this war.
Let us negotiate peace.
Chile shall not fall...
We beseech the world to punish these tyrants and opressors for Chile only wants world peace and prosperity. Democracy has been restated.
We shall not attack unless provoked.
Our entire army stands guard.

[PolarisGL]

Woops.
[This message has been edited by PolarisGL (edited March 27, 2000).]

[Bolo]

OOC: I didn't feel like writing it all detailed so this will have to do.

Three fronts, how can I fight a war on three fronts?, the thought went through the mind of General Pierre Bolo over and over. Three fronts? what do they think, we are supermen?, he thought.
Standing in the former Spanish king's palace in Madrid, the government of the Neo-Spartan Federation was holed up, fighting a losing war but not a lost war. The civilians knew that if they absolutly had to they could give up France altogether and fight a war in the Pyrennes, that would last years and cost the enemy millions to finish the war. And that is what they decided they would do, it was also the reason they had called Bolo in to tell him.
As he listened to them outline their plan he wondered if all sanity had slipped from their feeble minds. A war of attrition in the Pyrennes? It was obviosuly a possibility but why do it at all why not negoitate a peace? These civilians were so blindly militaristis that even in defeat they couldn't see they were beaten.

"Sir, with all due respect, this war is lost, why not negotiate, if you do I am sure the Germans and the Italians will gove us our land back." Bolo said with the patience of a school teacher.

"Defeatism!! I should dismiss you right now General Bolo but you are too valuable to the Neo Spartan Federation." Roared one of Spartan's top aides.

"Very well sir." Bolo spoke, his words like ice, anyone who knew him well wouldn't dare confront him with news he didn't like now.

"I am glad you come to the Spartan way of thinking General, you may now return to your troops." The aide said without realizing how close he was to losing his ability to speak.
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Two days later, Madrid

"All right so that is the plan ladies and Gentleman, do you think you can carry it out?" Bolo asked his gathered subordinates.

His second in command Colonol Diego Hayak, raised his hand.

"Sir, are you sure you want to go through with this?"

Yes, Colonol Hayak, they want us to fight a war of attrition in the Pyrennes, thats insane, when negotiation is possible. No we must go through with this, we must overthrow the government of the Neo Spartan Federation. It has lost touched with what is happening in the real world, it must be stopped before more people die when they don't have to.
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Three days later, madrid

General Bolo commander of the Sixth Army stood up in the cupola of the Leclerc tank, as it drove down the middle of the Madrid street at 2pm in the Afternoon. Overhead Mirage 2000's and Rafales were seen overflying the city. Just outside the Royal Palace, Bolo spoke into a loud speaker which also tied into the building's P.A.

"Members of the Neo Spartan Government you are under arrest for treason against the Franco-Spanish state. You will surrender yourselves or we will come and get you with deadly force."

Thankfully the government hadn't completely lost touch with reality, faced with the threat of force they complied with General Bolo's orders and came out of the Palace in an orderly fashion.
General Pierre Bolo found himself the new ruler of Franco-Spain, or what was left of it anyway.
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To European Nations at war with us

We would like to offer a temporary ceasefire so that we may negotiate an armistice and peace treaty.

To Nations at war with us in Africa

How much money do you wish to offer for our holdings in Africa?

[General_BT]

Yesterday the SAK began a series of small exercises, including ASW, AA and anti-ship warfare off the coast of Thailand...

[Napoleon Bonaparte]

OOC:
I believe I said 'did well against the following' but maybe i didn't. Sorry. What I meant to say was that it is doing well against those tanks..hehehehehe

About this 'one post invasion', maybe not...I dont have Buenos Aires yet, in contrast to Bearcat's posts. I am about 75 miles NorthWest in Rosario laying siege to a good portion of the Argentinian army.

IC:

To: Chile

Stand down or be destroyed as well.

To: Germany

Thank you for the help.

To: CW

The men will be shown the good of the city. We suggest you send them only as policing units once Buenos Aires is taken. Unless you want them to be more experienced we can have them upfront.

Outside of Rosario

General, the city is in flames. I suggest we go in now to salvage some supplies. Maj. Almirez stated.

As you say, the city is in flames. I shall give the order to move in. You are very attentive Miguel. I shall recommend you for promotion.Turning to aid.Move the men in.

1 Mile from Rosario

The General gives the go!GOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGGO!!!!

Up over the font went thousands of Brazilian men and women...only to be mowed down by a machine gun. The first charge was met with heavy resistance but still went through. The Argentinians had little ammo and horrible guns. That didn't stop them from setting little traps of C-4. Explosions went off all around the city, killing men on both sides. It was half an hour of this until the tanks took up position around the city. Opening up with their main armament they wreaked havoc along the city. As the battle raged on in a burning city the casualties mounted but the NSR went on, this was the major chunk of the enemy force. After the city was taken, only a little force stood in Buenos Aires, a force that would surrender after this massacre. Argentina was falling and was falling fast. The campaign was started almost a month ago and already the first battles had been won. As soon as the infantry went in, the aircraft went to Buenos Aires to soften the men up. 5 hours after the battle started, it ended with a mighty explosion as a Predator went up in flames. Why had it taken so long? We had them completelt flanked?

Casualties:

NSR:
Predators: 7
T-82: 3
T-90: 0
Men: 38,452

Argentina:
Tanks: 32
Men:
Killed: 73,231
Wounded or captured: 65,832

That was the defeat of the Argentinian army. Now only 50,000 men entrenched Buenos Aires, a number to be brushed aside.

175,000 men marched for Buenos Aires accompanied by tanks. The remainder of the force will go out and inform the citizens they were now truly South American.



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Almighty ruler and Resident God!!

The House of Commons today voted to cancel on of Britain's building supercarriers. HMS Intrigue , the surviving carrier, will be the first and only of her class. Funds that were to have been spent on the Invulnerable are to be redirected into building a sams screen around Britain to protect from air attacks such as those Ireland has be pulling off. The UK plans to equip the launchers with either Patriot missiles or modified Sea Darts. The missile batteries will be unique in that the can operate off the radar feed of an aircraft like an Awacs plane or even a Eurofighter. This will add additional versatility should their radars be destroyed. The project is scheduled for completion by the end of the year.

Orders issued from the Admiralty for two new light carriers such as a modernized Invincible class. It should be capable of operating 28 Naval Eurofighters off a catapult/ski jump configuration. Construction to begin in 2 months.

Prime Minister Sigma Draconis pleads for Irish Government to call off terrorist raids. Should the terror campaign cease, then the bombing of Ireland shall cease.

RAF war planes over Ireland begin to batter industrial sites as all airfields have been destroyed. Jaguar aircraft have been pulled from the raids as they are vulnerable to Stinger missiles. Tornados fly too low too fast for the stingers to be effective and teh Eurofighters/ Lancers fly too high.

Blockade of Ireland contines bolstered by CW fleets. Admiralty authorizes creation of GRAND FLEET. It will consist of the supercarrier Resounding Fury, 7 Emerald class Destroyers, 7 Duke class Frigates, 2 Cornwall class Frigates and a variable submarine force.

Prime Minister Draconis demonstrates the safety of British Beef by eating 3 half kilo with cheese sandwiches at a local Macdonalds. Throws up suspicions that shipments to Berlin may have been intentionally tainted by an unidentified entity.

UK willing to assist france in any peace deals through monetary loans. Also Gibralter is now open to Italy and Indian as hostilities have ceased.

To CW,

We wish to acquire the license to build Patriot missiles for our air defence screens. Also we wish to borrow some Delta Force operatives for use in London.

To CTA,

We wish to acquire the license to build Patriot missiles and Commanche scout choppers. Also we would like to hold a joint naval training operation off the falkland islands to test the readiness of our respective navies.

[Mao]

OOC:

quote: To BRAZIL: Look who complained about lightning, one post campaign.

Hodad (both of you), next time you post please make a distinction between IC posts and OOC posts as it could get very confusing. Telling Brazil in IC that he just made a "post" is utter nonesense.

IC post coming up...

Q:
What's IC?
What's OOC?

[Mao]

Rhode Island Secure!

Hawk's Claw has reached the borders of the state of Rhode Island and have fortified themselves in. Cities are also being fortified with reinforcements from the full force of Hawk's Claw from ports capable of handling the large converted transport vessels. A General Assembly of Rhode Islanders was called to decide upon the future of the state. They can either become a colonial territory of the Empire or a full province of her. It is expected that they will vote to become a colonial territory as that way, they will be an autonomous land under the protection of the Empire.

Special care was taken not to harm the facilities at Newport News and plans for Seawolf and Los Angeles class submarines were taken. Though these plans are now useless as the CW has already shared them with the Empire in an effort to improve them, they are still a moral victory. The facilities at Newport News were only slightly damaged and will take more than a month for it to come back to full production. As a colonial territory, Rhode Island will become a democratic state with her own leaders and representation in the Beauracracy. The laws of the Empire will apply to the territory unless the General Assembly of Rhode Island votes to make them void, in which case they would be void in said territory only.

In Africa...

One infantry division was surprised by a group of government troops in Ghana and took heavy losses. They only escaped due to the loyalty of rebel forces armed by the Empire. This act has enraged the Empire and they today stormed the capital at Accra. Accra was secured fairly easily, but government troops are still very strong in the rest of the country. The Empire's strategy in this territory is to arm rebels who will be rewarded with a democratic government if successful. Meanwhile, the Imperial regulars have moved on to the Ivory Coast. This country is more stable than Ghana, but there are still rebels. These rebels were armed and then the 3 infantry divisions merely bypassed the country and headed for Liberia. Liberia is claimed by the UDSA, but they have not yet moved troops there, so Imperial troops came into the capital and were welcomed as saviors from UDSA imperialism. They were offered the chance to become a colonial territory. The corrupt government is expected to accept it as a last bid to keep power, but the Empire has made it clear that, if Liberia becomes a colonial power, there will be a democratic government and have already started arming the rebels there as well. A few top men of the corrupt Liberian regime were found dead in their homes with rebels outside cheering.

OOC: See? I posted a loss. Now, this is the idea: I don't control Liberia or Ivory Coast, I've just incited riots there. So there should be those flames for rebellions there on the map. Ghana is also in the same boat with Ivory Coast and Liberia.

Hodad is crowned king in Santiago Cathedral!
(This has no relevance as to govt. changes, it just signifies that I'm a king now!!!)
To MAO:
I'm rather dense today...
I STILL don't get it.

To MAO:
I'm rather dense today...
I STILL don't get it.

[N35t0r]

WHOW

To Brazil:
What is this unprovoked war?
please, let's sit down and discuss this.
You had told Charly I that he lowered your reputation, and then you attack when you know i cannot respond and by no aparent reason at all?
We are a new argentina, pleace don't attack us. I want to turn the República Argentina into a newtral trding country, and to fix the atrocities Charly commited.
Peace, please

to Germany
You telling our democracy is a perversion? why? because i have just emerged from a de facto regime? please, you don't know argentine history then. and if it is due to Charly I, then i'll say you are also a perversion due to Hitler.

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President I am Nestor
República Argentina

[N35t0r]

WHOW

To Brazil:
What is this unprovoked war?
please, let's sit down and discuss this.
You had told Charly I that he lowered your reputation, and then you attack when you know i cannot respond and by no aparent reason at all?
We are a new argentina, pleace don't attack us. I want to turn the República Argentina into a newtral trding country, and to fix the atrocities Charly commited.
Peace, please

to Germany
You telling our democracy is a perversion? why? because i have just emerged from a de facto regime? please, you don't know argentine history then. and if it is due to Charly I, then i'll say you are also a perversion due to Hitler.

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President I am Nestor
República Argentina

[N35t0r]

WHOW

To Brazil:
What is this unprovoked war?
please, let's sit down and discuss this.
You had told Charly I that he lowered your reputation, and then you attack when you know i cannot respond and by no aparent reason at all?
We are a new argentina, pleace don't attack us. I want to turn the República Argentina into a newtral trding country, and to fix the atrocities Charly commited.
Peace, please

to Germany
You telling our democracy is a perversion? why? because i have just emerged from a de facto regime? please, you don't know argentine history then. and if it is due to Charly I, then i'll say you are also a perversion due to Hitler.

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President I am Nestor
República Argentina

[Mao]

IC means you post something "In Character". Meaning you post as your name or your character. (ie: If you're Peru, you say, "Peru invades Brazil") Whereas, OOC means "Out Of Character" and means that you're talking as you. (ie: He can't do that! Brazil can't get a new tank in a month!) and point out unrealisms.

[PolarisGL]

Rings went off in the citizens of Niger's ears. Niger was being bombed from the north by artillery shells. Corps I-VII are beginning to sieze northern Niger as the Niger forces begin to flee.

Niamey and the rest of Niger is expected to be in Indian hands in approx. 1 week, that is if the Niger government is intelligent and surrenders before anyone else gets hurt.

Corps VIII-XV have begun raiding Mali military bases in northern Mali as well. Forces are beginning to come to the border, but then they flee as the Indian force comes at them. Capture of Mali is unknown, but India wishes to criple its defenses just in case.

In other news...

The Leopard II, which has been in Indian production for several months now, has produced thousands of tanks (see previous weapons order).

Just 1 month ago they were issued to replace most of the Indian tanks that are inferior to the Leopard II.

[Napoleon Bonaparte]

To: Argentina

We will not stand down. I suggest the leadership leaves the nation and surrenders. It is the people that have caused this.

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Almighty ruler and Resident God!!

[monolith94]

OOC:
Whoever does the map, please alter it to show the new Expansions of Canada. In page 3, I conquered Northern New England, and I aquired western lands from the CTA

IC:

To: CTA
From: CR
We kindly thank you for your genorous gift of land and planes!

To: CW
From: CR
We thank you for your genorous gift of planes. They will be put to good use!

[JT3]

To: Canada
From: CTA

We will gladly cede the territories, provided that we are allowed to keep ports and mining facilities in key areas.

[Scott F]

Mod Stuff:

Let me repeat for the last time:

If you want to take a country, you can do one of the following:

1. Request a referendum. This will be done in the manner Mao suggested. Mao is hereby appointed to help me run referendums.

2. Invade the country. Do not invade an entire African country in a single post, no matter how small or puny they are. Large countries in Africa will take many posts. Advancing more than 120 miles in one post is unrealistic. (Thanks, Bolo). Crushing partisans will take even longer too.