Which animal would you be? - Page 2

Kramerman · December 12, 2003, 23:00

id want to be a sloth

Kramerman · December 12, 2003, 23:01

but of the polled animals, id want to be a dog that is owned and taken good care of by a loving family

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and i would want to save little timmy from drowning in the pool and be on that show 'miricle pets' on PAX tv

Boris Godunov · December 12, 2003, 23:03

And I'm not being fair...depends on what you listen for in a symphony. I listen for architecture, thematic development and overall systemic coherence, in addition to memorable melodic and harmonic invention.

Tchaikovsky didn't actually write "symphonies," he wrote symphonic tone poems with several unrelated movements slapped onto the end of them. So they totally lack structural integrity.

However, if you're looking for pretty melodies, emotionalism and some lush orchestrations, you'll find that aplenty.

Manfred, however, is indeed garbage--a mush of cheap melody lacking in any intellectual integrity or musical value. Tchaikovsky should have followed the instincts he normally had for his works and incinerated it.

Japher · December 12, 2003, 23:04

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Mahler, Japher. Mahler.

I only have an hour!!!

I have the 6th, only... Saw the SF Symph play it a few years back (more like 5)... My wife - GF - at the time were watching after an old Jewish woman who had season tickets, she rocked... Which Mahler would you suggest?

Boris Godunov · December 12, 2003, 23:08

The Mahler 6, you mean? Because that's the only 6th.

Japher · December 12, 2003, 23:10

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However, if you're looking for pretty melodies, emotionalism and some lush orchestrations, you'll find that aplenty.

I am a big fan of the Romantic Period... Had only my in-laws known that.

I keen on Baroque music too... Classical period troubles me (too structured), and neo-classical I am more in-tune with certain composers. Beehtoven and Stravinsky are my Favs, with Telleman and The Bach Family tied for 3rd.

I really don't look for one thing in particular, if I like it I like it... Even with Berlioz I only like his 1st Symph and Hector on The Mountain.

Japher · December 12, 2003, 23:12

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The Mahler 6, you mean?

Yeah... "Tragic", he is very good just long.

Boris Godunov · December 12, 2003, 23:30

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Originally posted by Japher
Classical period troubles me (too structured)

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Beehtoven and Stravinsky are my Favs, with Telleman and The Bach Family tied for 3rd.

This is inherently contradictory. All of those composers were titans of musical structure, and Beethoven was probably chief among them in terms of having the most tightly-woven structures. Well, maybe Bach...

Boris Godunov · December 12, 2003, 23:34

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Originally posted by Japher
Yeah... "Tragic", he is very good just long.

Mahler's 6th is my favorite of his symphonies. If you don't have the Bernstein VPO recording on DG, then you'd best go and get it. There simply isn't any other recording.

The 6th is long, yes...I personally think the dramatic impact of the finale would be better had he tightened it up considerably. I would have excised the second iteration of the opening "horror" chord--in fact, jumping from the end of the first development section the the second iteration of the major "triumphal" theme. That would cut a good 5 minutes without losing any original thematic material.

monolith94 · December 13, 2003, 00:08

Since this has turned into a classical music discussion, I would just like to mention that I have fallen for Rimsky-Korsakov's "Symphony 3 C, IV Allegro con spirito".

And I don't care what Gudonov says, the Nutcracker is pure fun, and shall always be a staple of my holiday season.

Japher · December 13, 2003, 00:16

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This is inherently contradictory. All of those composers were titans of musical structure, and Beethoven was probably chief among them in terms of having the most tightly-woven structures. Well, maybe Bach...

True, but they (Classical compossers) sacrificed theme for structure. The creativity involved in the Romantic era is much greater, and was not so focused on maintaining the new relatives that is structure... I think Beehtoven's 9th is a good example, in the way he kept the same theme through each movement while altering the structure to reveal new "themes" where as someone like Mozart would change the theme to create juxtaposing structure between movements in order to generate the contrast.

Monolith: RK rocks, check out some of his violin concertos, they are the cream of the crop.

monolith94 · December 13, 2003, 00:50

Right now I'm listening to "Sym No.6 - 1 : Adagio - Allegro con troppo" by Tchaikovsky, and I'm greatly enjoying it.

Dis · December 13, 2003, 03:46

Panther

MrFun · December 13, 2003, 04:30

Can I guess for others?

Boshko = squirrel

Rah = ferret

KrazyHorse = kitten/cat

SlowwHand = skunk

Stefu = reindeer

Blackwidow = blackwidow spider (DUH!)

Starchild = peac*ck (for its obvious beauty)

Alexander's Horse = kangaroo

MrFun · December 13, 2003, 04:32

For myself, I voted cat.

self biased · December 13, 2003, 06:00

now why am i not surprised that i'm the only one that picked 'snake?'

and here's a pic of prolly one of the prettiest snakes out there.

Starchild · December 13, 2003, 06:27

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Can I guess for others?

Starchild = peac*ck (for its obvious beauty)

Provided it's a royal peac"ck in the kingdom of a wealthy Moghul court where I'd be served by a thousand priests all day, groomed by a dozen of the highest caste Maharajas, and fed from the hands of visiting Nawabs who had to supplicate themselves before me. A dozen and one Untouchable families would have to be burnt alive everytime a single feather of my being was damaged.

Hmmm. Had a bit too much curry recently I think....

I'd also like to be the plague carrying rat that's made a home in the children's hospital.

monolith94 · December 13, 2003, 06:44

By the way, I choose to be an otter.

Drake Tungsten · December 13, 2003, 06:48

Only one other vote for the rabbit? You sexless geeks disgust me...

self biased · December 13, 2003, 07:04

there is no greater phallic symbol than the serpent.

Drake Tungsten · December 13, 2003, 07:07

So what? I want to **** myself to exhaustion every day of my life, not look like a ****.

self biased · December 13, 2003, 07:16

have you ever kept rabbits as pets?

Drake Tungsten · December 13, 2003, 08:04

No. I resent animals that get more action than I do.

Enigma_Nova · December 13, 2003, 10:10

Also votes for Cat.

Ponders the moral consequences of agreeing with MrFun

Skanky Burns · December 13, 2003, 10:18

Bear.

Slow, but very powerful and dangerous when angry.

Boris Godunov · December 13, 2003, 10:48

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Originally posted by Starchild
Provided it's a royal peac"ck in the kingdom of a wealthy Moghul court where I'd be served by a thousand priests all day, groomed by a dozen of the highest caste Maharajas, and fed from the hands of visiting Nawabs who had to supplicate themselves before me. A dozen and one Untouchable families would have to be burnt alive everytime a single feather of my being was damaged.

Actually, we were thinking more of a peacock in Ancient Rome. They got eaten there.

Boris Godunov · December 13, 2003, 10:55

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Originally posted by Japher
True, but they (Classical compossers) sacrificed theme for structure. The creativity involved in the Romantic era is much greater, and was not so focused on maintaining the new relatives that is structure... I think Beehtoven's 9th is a good example, in the way he kept the same theme through each movement while altering the structure to reveal new "themes" where as someone like Mozart would change the theme to create juxtaposing structure between movements in order to generate the contrast.

Fair enough...but I don't think Beethoven's 9th is his best example. The 5th is the prime example of his thematic continuity. The 9th has the problem in that the final movement is not really symphonic material--the "Ode" theme is undevelopable, and unrelated to the thematic exposition in the previous movements. So in that "Sturm und drang" intro to the 4th movement, he quotes each of the previous movements in a rather cheap attempt to give it some relation to the previous movements. I'd rather he just have accepted the finale was a thing unto itself and nixed this quoting. It doesn't really add anything to the movement. Had he gone further and continued to manipulate those themes later in the movement, that would be even better--but he just drops them totally.

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Monolith: RK rocks, check out some of his violin concertos, they are the cream of the crop.

Meh. If you want great violin concertos, you're best served by Beethoven, Elgar, Brahms and (especially) the Mendelssohn.

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Right now I'm listening to "Sym No.6 - 1 : Adagio - Allegro con troppo" by Tchaikovsky, and I'm greatly enjoying it.

Erm... Allegro non troppo.

Drake Tungsten · December 13, 2003, 11:14

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Bear.

Slow, but very powerful and dangerous when angry.

Bears aren't slow.

Skanky Burns · December 13, 2003, 11:20

They are when they don't have much to do.

MrFun · December 13, 2003, 13:24

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Originally posted by Starchild

Provided it's a royal peac"ck in the kingdom of a wealthy Moghul court where I'd be served by a thousand priests all day, groomed by a dozen of the highest caste Maharajas, and fed from the hands of visiting Nawabs who had to supplicate themselves before me. A dozen and one Untouchable families would have to be burnt alive everytime a single feather of my being was damaged.

Yes, your highness.