History experts needed (Narvik Campaign) - Page 2

Arthedain · January 2, 2004, 13:55

Do NOT exclude the Norweigan letters!

It's just more realistic not to exclude them, and much nicer imho.

Case · January 2, 2004, 20:29

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Originally posted by Kobra
BTW: I've made a giga Norway map, so there will be enough space to romp on

What unit scale are you planning on using?

Eivind IV · January 2, 2004, 20:56

It depends on the historical input you guys can provide me with.

I just know the very shalow history of this campaign. It will take me months if I must dig into it thoroughly, so some help would make it alot easier.

What scale would you suggest?

Eivind IV · January 2, 2004, 21:00

A little screenshot never hurts anyone

POTUS · January 2, 2004, 21:25

So is Sweden just there to take up space?

Eivind IV · January 2, 2004, 21:31

Correct. Can't have a total map of Norway without including Sweden, Finland and the Baltics. As you can se Norway stretches quite far nort-easwards. I made the borders unpassable just in case, you all know how stupid the AI can be. And this to limit the war to were it's supposed to be - in Norway!

Case · January 2, 2004, 23:45

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Originally posted by Kobra
What scale would you suggest?

Battalion would probably be the best choice, - with 6(?) divisions this would give the Germans 60 odd infantry units. If you went with companies the Germans would have 180+ units which is probably unmanageable.

BTW, nice map!

POTUS · January 3, 2004, 03:27

If you include the Baltics, will you have Soviets?

Eivind IV · January 3, 2004, 07:12

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Originally posted by POTUS
If you include the Baltics, will you have Soviets?

I'm not 100% sure when the Soviets totally annexed the Baltics. Was it not in August 1940? I do belive they sent some Red Army troops earlier on though.

Anyway, the only two civs in this scenario will be the Germans and the Norwegians/Allies. Everything else will be filled with black and those little flags you see on the screenshot.

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Originally posted by Case
BTW, nice map!

Thanks!

I think there are room for some naval warfare deep in the narrow Norwegian fjords

fairline · January 3, 2004, 08:42

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Originally posted by Kobra
@Fairline: Would I be rude if I asked you of help with making some of the units listed above? Like all those different infantry's for example...

Please let me know if you think I'm stepping on your toes now...

Yes

(j/k).

I'd like to help Eivind but I am currently mid-way through a large project for someone else, so I won't be able to do anything for some weeks.

Eivind IV · January 3, 2004, 08:45

I got plenty of time

Eivind IV · January 10, 2004, 12:52

Still working...

Norwegian inf and French alpine trooper.

Eivind IV · January 11, 2004, 11:49

Keeping the interest up

I've found a book that down to battalion show the placement of troops and show the placement of both German and Allied ships on the 9th of April. So this will be a completely authentic invasion of Norway.

It also shows all the Norwegian strongpoints and coastal batteries.

(And no, those are not railroads, those are regular roads)

Arthedain · January 11, 2004, 16:21

Sooooooooo great units and a ice screenie there Eivind!

POTUS · January 11, 2004, 18:26

Oooh. When will it be ready?

curtsibling · January 11, 2004, 18:59

This looks excellent!

Eivind IV · January 11, 2004, 19:21

Well, it's far from finished. So expect another week or so, most probably two (that is if everything goes according to my plans). If you have any comments or suggestions, please share them

. Anything to help this forward is apreciated.

Right now I'm working on the units. I need to fix the unit stats and make the cities inhabitable. Only that might take some time. And on top of it all I'm a perfectionist, so I guess it will never be finished

Arthedain · January 12, 2004, 11:19

Well, I don't think we can help you so much now, as long as you don't request anything in particular, but when you release a beta-version, we can give you all kinds of suggestions. Well you already knew this.

Just wanted to tell you that your unit-drawing skills have improved alot, and I've seen your earlier work (not that it was bad, just not my style

the units you posted above is more my style).
Really looking forward to this. And I think you were right in doing this one about the whole Norway-campagin instread of just the Narvik-campaign (although I don't think you should scrap the idea totally since you got a nice map etc etc).

skipper · January 12, 2004, 14:39

Looks great!!

fairline · January 12, 2004, 14:43

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Originally posted by Kobra
Still working...

Norwegian inf and French alpine trooper.

Eivind, the French wore green by WW2. I have an excellent source pic for a Chasseur Alpine of WW2 vintage. When I get a chance I'll draw him.

Eivind IV · January 12, 2004, 15:25

Thanks, guys!

And Arth, I'm still a high res supporter though. I'm just seduced by Fairline's graphics. That's why I've been on 'this side' for some time now

. Who knows, maybe I'll stay...

By all means, Failine! You would leave me a very happy man

I only had grayscaled pics as sources so I just instinctively went for the trafitionally blue French uniform

I changed the Norwegian inf. Recoloured the Frenchie and tweaked a Gebirgsjäger.

fairline · January 12, 2004, 17:32

OK, here's my version of the French mountain trooper. Over the khaki-green uniform they wore a light brown sheepskin jacket with white wool seams across the hem, chest, front of the arms and down the front. They had baggy green pantaloons with ankle boots and rolled over white socks, sometimes worn with puttees or canvas gaitors. They wore either a large blue beret or green Adrian helmet.

I'll draw you a Brit as well; they had ankle-length kapok greatcoats for the Norway expedition.

Arthedain · January 12, 2004, 18:07

EEK!

I wish i could draw units like that..

Eivind IV · January 12, 2004, 18:10

Thank you very much, Fairline!

They are simply gorgeous!

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Originally posted by fairline
I'll draw you a Brit as well; they had ankle-length kapok greatcoats for the Norway expedition.

Can't wait!

How about a polish trooper?

fairline · January 12, 2004, 19:59

Thanks gents

Here's the British. My source book says that this kapok-lined coat (apparently called a 'Tropal' if it really matters) was heavy and uncomfortable and I think was only worn for the Norweigan campaign. They were also issued with green gloves and balaclavas, as worn by the bloke on the left.

I'd use the soldier with the Bren gun on the right as the beter quality Guard's Brigade unit.

I'll have a go at the Polish some other time Eivind.

Eivind IV · January 12, 2004, 21:08

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Originally posted by fairline
Thanks gents

Here's the British. My source book says that this kapok-lined coat (apparently called a 'Tropal' if it really matters) was heavy and uncomfortable and I think was only worn for the Norweigan campaign. They were also issued with green gloves and balaclavas, as worn by the bloke on the left.

I'd use the soldier with the Bren gun on the right as the beter quality Guard's Brigade unit.

I'll have a go at the Polish some other time Eivind.

This is more then I expected! Thanks! And nice with those little stories to the units as well.

Hehe, is balaclava a word in English as well? I remember that from my days in the army. We only called it (directly translated) 'bear p-u-s-s-y'.

fairline · January 13, 2004, 08:50

I wouldn't want to stick my head up there!

Useless factoid: 'Balaclava' helmets were introduced in the Crimean War and named after the battle of Balaclava, rather than a bear's genatalia. I think I like the bear reference more though.

I'll draw the Pole after work. They were issued with French uniforms and had a green beret, rather than the blue one.

fairline · January 13, 2004, 17:09

There were a couple of battalions of French Foreign Legion despatched to Norway, along with the Chasseurs Alpins and the Polish Mountain troops in the service of the French Army. I've drawn the former in the standard French WW2 uniform in the absence of any source pics, while the Polish wore the standard French mountain uniform of cotton anorak and gaitors, but with a green beret worn Polish style. They were also issued with sheepskin jackets for this campaign, but I've shown him without this to distinguish him from the Chasseur.

BTW, you have shown the German mountain troops with a paratrooper helmet: they wore the standard German steel helmet or an Austrian-type field cap

Eivind IV · January 13, 2004, 17:36

How can I ever repay you?

Looks marvellous!

I used this pic as a source along with other pics I had of the gebirgsjäger with that helmet

fairline · January 13, 2004, 18:15

Thats a pic from the mountain troops in Crete, when some were landed by air - its the standard Falschirmjäger uniform rather than gebirgsjäger.

I'll draw a mountain trooper if you like.