December 20, 2003, 10:24
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most biblical scholars say that jesus was probably born sometime between 6-4 BC, he began his public ministry at the age of 30, and was crucified at the age of 33.
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December 21, 2003, 05:19
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Since nobody knows for sure what year it was, if it happened, 34 BC is as good a guess as any!
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December 21, 2003, 06:02
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Are we sure the Holy Father liked the movie? "It Is As It Was" can be taken both ways. It sounded to me like he was being ambiguous on purpose. 
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December 21, 2003, 06:05
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perhaps he wanted to see a typical hollywood movie in which the facts are distorted.
Perhaps he wanted to see Jesus break free of the cross, and start kicking nazi and commie ass- or the equivalent they had in those days.
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December 21, 2003, 06:16
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kicking nazi and commie ass- or the equivalent they had in those days.
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Jews? 
*runs*
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December 21, 2003, 08:59
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It's almost always interesting to keep an eye on what's rocking the boat in the christian world. Almost always petty problems. If some people would like to believe that the pope for some reason, divine or not -"even with the challenges of his current illness has more good sense than many of his cardinals"- has the best ability to judge about what actually happened it's their problem. No one alive today was there and the remains are few. I'd say that no one can say that "It is as it was". For me, (outspoken atheist) it would seem like the exact knowledge of what happened in the physical world wouldn't be that important for believers.
The thinking of fundamentalists, for whom exact phrases and actions means so much is in a ironical way easy to show with a quote from the editorial above; "Mr. McEveety was marveling at what he felt was the oracular quality of the statement. 'Five words. Eleven letters.'". If the pope said those words I very much doubt that it was with eleven letters or even five words. He probably expressed his opinion in italian, latin or polish.
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