Racist Undertones in Conquests - Page 2

Dis · December 20, 2003, 03:54

pathetic troll

Jeem · December 20, 2003, 06:52

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Originally posted by Jaybe

CLUELESS!!
Alright, forget the "politically-correct"!
Your total IGNORANCE* with the "air" of knowledge has gotten disgusting!

Who conquered Egypt in the time of Alexander the Great? Who were the ruling class of Egypt during Cleo's time? Do some RESEARCH! (Hint: it had some tinge of Grecean formula to it).

* (1) I have read enough of Jeem's posts to put him on ignore. Why didn't I ignore this one! (2) If this had been CFC, I would probably get a couple days "vacation".

Of for God's sake Jaybe - if you can't see the obvious sarcasm here then there must be something seriously wrong with you.

Quite why this thread wasn't shut down in the first instance is beyond me. Racism in Civ3? Gimme a break.

Vince278 · December 20, 2003, 07:33

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Originally posted by Jeem
why this thread wasn't shut down in the first instance is beyond me. Racism in Civ3? Gimme a break.

Zevico · December 20, 2003, 07:38

0/10.
Pathetic.

Cort Haus · December 20, 2003, 08:52

My reaction to seeing Shaka step in for a cameo role as a mezo-american was "oops, tight budget and timeframes again - they shoulda hired our Ghengis to finish the job".

MrWhereItsAt · December 20, 2003, 12:10

Well an interesting idea, but most likely merely an unintentional oversight due to the fact that it was impossible to create new leaderheads et. al in time for the release of the expansion.

To all those who may have got offended that someone started such a thread - YOU get a clue. Just an idea, worthy of thought like every other idea. Deal with it in your own way, give it thought and say what you think without needing to resort to insults. I don't believe such a thing was intended in ANY insulting sense, let alone as a racial slur, so until we see evidence that someone really does mean it in such a way rather than as just a discussion (is this not a discussion forum?) , don't be so touchy, alright?

asleepathewheel · December 20, 2003, 12:20

IF this was meant to foster discussion, then one would think the original poster would return and discuss.

Kuciwalker · December 20, 2003, 13:35

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Originally posted by Theseus
I think my Warmonger POV is interfering with my understanding of this silly thread and its impact on combat calculations and overall game balance.

In other words, gimme a break.

Kuciwalker · December 20, 2003, 13:37

n/m

Shogun Gunner · December 20, 2003, 14:22

Well that does it. Me and my white AI European allies will attempt to knock Inca and Maya out of every epic game from now on.

The AI is racist. Fix that Firaxis

The Slayer · December 20, 2003, 16:52

Well, I'm one of the supposed "affected" people about this "racism". I can say by myself and the community here in Apolyton from Mexico, Chile, Argentina, etc that we don't feel offended in any way about this. We know this is not racism, this is art laciness (sp?) from the game Developers. Also, this is just a game that we all loves so we couldn't get angry.

If you want a solution, well, do the thing someone said, make an amin. leaderhed by yourself, or just replace de anim. with a pic like the one I'll attach now (it's about the Lord of Sipan, the Moche King).

So, I think they're not racist in any way, just lazy. If they were racist, this scenario (and all it's detailed Civilopedia info

) simply will not exist.

Let's stop trolling and let's play some more

(and sorry for the grammar and other kind of things mistakes

)

The Slayer · December 20, 2003, 16:53

Sorry, I became inspired

and forgot the image

, here you have.

Plotinus · December 20, 2003, 17:18

I appreciate what the originator of this thread is trying to say, and I think the rude responses are out of order, but I still think it's wrongheaded and that no "lumping together" of non-Caucasian races was intended. Which leaderheads *should* have been chosen?

After all, most of the leaders in this game are not Caucasian. Of the 31 civilisations in the game, Carthage, Zulu, China, Japan, Korea, Mongols, India, Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Iroquois, Babylon, Persia, Sumeria, Ottomans, Arabia (at least - this is off the top of my head) have leaders who are not Caucasian (although with some of them it might be hard to tell in this game... Hannibal, for the record, would have been part Berber, and Cleopatra, as someone so eloquently put it, was Greek). So statistically, any randomly chosen leaderhead will not be Caucasian.

vee4473 · December 20, 2003, 17:23

more pc

WarpStorm · December 20, 2003, 18:05

While the topic is worth discussing, I'm think the original poster was trolling. This is his only post to this forum at all.

Shogun Gunner · December 20, 2003, 18:38

WS, yes, which is why I fought "troll with troll"

Now I won't stick around to answer for it....

ChrisiusMaximus · December 21, 2003, 07:52

Has'nt this ridiculous thread been closed yet!!

Phatphal · December 21, 2003, 10:53

At first I thought the guy was joking, then I realised how sad of a life this guy lives if his trying to find racist undertones in a game. I think his posting for attention and to stir up the pot.

ThePlagueRat · December 21, 2003, 14:12

I have been whining about ugly leaderheads and stupid advisors since those days I was playing civ2, drooling at my keyborad staring at that sexy foreign minister. Now I can't stop thinking about how beautiful that actress was and how stupid they all look in civ3.

Kuciwalker · December 22, 2003, 00:29

The only good leaderhead in C3 is Joan

ChaotikVisions · December 22, 2003, 11:19

Oh sure, its racist. And if they had used Joan, Elizabeth, and Isabella as the leaderheads this would be an arguement on how those leaderheads were an insult to the cultures their countries destroyed. Theres room to whine if you're overly obsessed with it no matter what leaderheads you could choose for them.

But anyway if you want to complain about something, complain about how the devs thought Japan in 1400s had no cities and was filled with barbarians.

Just kidding, Sengoku scenario was a real dissapointment though.

Alex · December 23, 2003, 18:45

oh how i love trolls...

MattH · December 23, 2003, 22:17

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Originally posted by skywalker
The only good leaderhead in C3 is Joan

*cough* Farbs Leaderheads *cough*

And here you go lumping all the europeans together--- Frence, Germans, Russians, Polish, British, etc...

Kuciwalker · December 23, 2003, 22:38

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*cough* Farbs Leaderheads *cough*

good point

Shogun Gunner · December 23, 2003, 22:47

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Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
I have been whining about ugly leaderheads and stupid advisors since those days I was playing civ2, drooling at my keyborad staring at that sexy foreign minister. Now I can't stop thinking about how beautiful that actress was and how stupid they all look in civ3.

Actually there's a thread on this in the Civ2 section

Hot Civ 2 Advisor

I myself like Theodora of the Byzantines! hottie.

Jeem · December 23, 2003, 23:09

I must admit Joan does it for me. There's something about a French 'burd' in chainmail that just sends me wild.

Or maybe that was a French 'burd' in a maid's outfit? Whatever, I reckon Firaxis are SEXIST PIGS for showing females in obviously revealing outfits.

Shogun Gunner · December 23, 2003, 23:15

the bald Joan doesn't just "take the wind outta your sails"?

Not sure why she has to get all militant and stuff...

ThePlagueRat · December 24, 2003, 12:19

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Originally posted by Shogun Gunner

Actually there's a thread on this in the Civ2 section

Hot Civ 2 Advisor

I myself like Theodora of the Byzantines! hottie.

FYI, Theodora IS an animation... but I guess people drool over anything these days.

Thanks for the tip!

Shogun Gunner · December 24, 2003, 12:33

Ya ruined it for me PlagueRat.

I was hoping to become part of the matrix and meet Theodora in person....

LordVipper · December 24, 2003, 20:24

strange,theodora was VERY old when she got the throne...... not that it stoped her,those generals would do anything for promotion!

no the game is not racist,get over it.