January 10, 2004, 19:03
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Originally posted by Verto
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Flat deck! for boomer fags.
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January 10, 2004, 19:05
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Originally posted by Serb
2 automatic 130mm. Don't remeber rate of fire. But Kirov it's a heavy nuclear missile cruiser. Its main armament is cruise missiles.
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How 60s... 
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January 10, 2004, 19:09
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Is that why they still used Bear's to fing the Atlantic convoys? Russian satelites were not advanced enough to transmit target data like that, and ours have only been able to for about 10 years.
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Sunburns are cool but unpractical.
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Unpractical my ass. It's the best anti-ship missile in the world.
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It takes an entire destroyer sized ship to carry one and has no range, burns all its fuel trying to go so fast. So basically the ship carrying it would be dead long before the weapon became useful. However, if hidden along coast lines good bye whoever is on the recieving end.
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Really? One missile weight about 4 tonns. Destroyer of "Sovremenny" class have 2x4 Sunburn launchers. Range 120 km.
If carried by an aircraft (Su-27, Su-33, Su-32FN) range is 250 km.
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The official countermeasure listed for this is "No countermeasure" just too fast. Supposed to be a carrier buster, though would be interesting to see it hit a destroyer. As far as I know only China has these deployed as sea going assets.
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We never sold them to anyone else. They are too good.
Last edited by Serb; January 11, 2004 at 01:31.
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January 10, 2004, 19:15
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#544
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Originally posted by TCO
How 60s...
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  What?
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January 10, 2004, 19:48
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Originally posted by TCO
Flat deck! for boomer fags.
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 Have a little respect! It was the only picture I could find that wasn't the generic, sub surfacing picture.
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January 10, 2004, 21:08
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You seem to have a problem with multiplying your ranges by 5-6 times.
"48 nm (90 km)
65 nm (120 km) in 3M80E
some sources claim 250 km"
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...sia/moskit.htm
Well, the official sources claim the first. And I was wrong about the platforms carrying it.
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January 10, 2004, 21:20
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19 pages! No way I'm gonna read them all, but a thought occured to me.
Hawker Harrier
Its not the most lethal aircraft in the world but it's the only successful VTOL ever built . The Soviets built one that was crap and even the americans havent built one.
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January 10, 2004, 21:24
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Originally posted by Serb
Another "bye-bye uncle Sam's boat" babe.
SS-N-22 "SunBurn"
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Speaking as a guy who works with Electronic Warfare Techs.....
I'll agree it's a deadly missile the EWs (Anti-missile types) call it the "Oh-sh*t" missile.
Although it can be stopped.
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January 10, 2004, 21:32
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Bulk of their army was destroyed by Soviets. You were even unable to dealt with Japanese by themselves. 
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Only when we were already on the Home Islands Doorsteps, while you guys fought some lazy garrision troops in Manchuria (while British stomped the tough guys in Burma, marines stomped them across the Pacific
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LEND-LEASE=5% in Soviet war material. When the hell you will understand this?
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No less a person such as Kruschev said that "SPAM" saved the army units he was with, a true sign of the effect of lend-lease if any.
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What might? The "might" you had in 1945 in Europe would be easily destroyed by Soviets.
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Like Hell. We were all the way on War footing. The Combined Industrial might of the Western Allies dwarfed the Soviets. It's apperently in the two fighting ideologies.
Soviet Soldier(shelled by artillary): "Quick! We have tomove forward or back until we stop getting shelled"
American: "F--k this, Kawaski? call in an airstrike ( P-51 zooms in and destroys battery)
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HTF are those people? Did they ever tested on their skin what the hell is -45C?
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For a minnesotoan....cold is life. Polar Bear club is life. MInnesota is 9 months winter and 3 months poor sledding weather. All ph34r MInnesota!
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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January 10, 2004, 22:08
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What might? The "might" you had in 1945 in Europe would be easily destroyed by Soviets.
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Yes, the world grew to fear the pistol accuracy of the Russian officer, who never missed a retreating Russian soldier!
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January 10, 2004, 22:41
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How'd this get past 500 posts?
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January 10, 2004, 22:49
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The mods have slacked off this weekend.
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January 11, 2004, 00:29
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ayup.
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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January 11, 2004, 00:51
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Originally posted by skywalker
How'd this get past 500 posts?
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Lets start making plans now to continue elsewhere.
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January 11, 2004, 00:56
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The most bad ass piece of military hardware:
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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January 11, 2004, 01:08
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Originally posted by Patroklos
You seem to have a problem with multiplying your ranges by 5-6 times.
"48 nm (90 km)
65 nm (120 km) in 3M80E
some sources claim 250 km"
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...sia/moskit.htm
Well, the official sources claim the first. And I was wrong about the platforms carrying it.
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5-6 times?  You seem to have problems with mathematics.
Once again:
3M80 - 90km
3M80E- 120km
For Sunburn launched from an aircraft range extends to 250km.
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January 11, 2004, 01:10
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Speaking as a guy who works with Electronic Warfare Techs.....
I'll agree it's a deadly missile the EWs (Anti-missile types) call it the "Oh-sh*t" missile.
Although it can be stopped.
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Anything can be stopped if lucky enough...even a Doom Star.
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January 11, 2004, 01:14
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I think you mean Deathstar.
/me mutters "christ, it's only been named about a million times".
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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January 11, 2004, 01:21
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Only when we were already on the Home Islands Doorsteps, while you guys fought some lazy garrision troops in Manchuria...
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Ha  lazy? I thought they were followed by Bushido
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No less a person such as Kruschev said that "SPAM" saved the army units he was with, a true sign of the effect of lend-lease if any.
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Look, I have very little if any respect for Khrushev, so I don't care much what this bullsh!ter said. Perhaps he told the truth this time, I don't know. I do not deny LL saved many Russian lives, I deny it was a main source of Soviet war material as you claimed earlier.
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Soviet Soldier(shelled by artillary): "Quick! We have tomove forward or back until we stop getting shelled"
American: "F--k this, Kawaski? call in an airstrike ( P-51 zooms in and destroys battery)
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And who told you that in war Allies vs. USSR you would have air superiority?
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For a minnesotoan....cold is life. Polar Bear club is life. MInnesota is 9 months winter and 3 months poor sledding weather. All ph34r MInnesota!
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And many such guys do you have? We have more than 100 millions, I'm not counting those fragile, pity Moscovians and alike.
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January 11, 2004, 01:24
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I think you mean Deathstar.
/me mutters "christ, it's only been named about a million times".
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Ooops...
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January 11, 2004, 01:27
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Originally posted by Verto
Yes, the world grew to fear the pistol accuracy of the Russian officer, who never missed a retreating Russian soldier!
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Soviets took this trick from Germans, BTW. They started first to shot their retreating troops, when their asses were kicked in Moscow's counter-offence. Soviets came to this idea only year or so later then Germans.
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January 11, 2004, 01:30
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Buddy, you dropped the hammer on inexperienced, ill-equipped (what with our total control of the sealanes) soldiers with the Rompin' Stompin' Russian Red Ass. The Confederate Army, circa 1863 could have beat those yolkels.
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Look, I have very little if any respect for Khrushev, so I don't care much what this bullsh!ter said. Perhaps he told the truth this time, I don't know. I do not deny LL saved many Russian lives, I deny it was a main source of Soviet war material as you claimed earlier.
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I think you guys would be in a much worse situation fighting the western Allies with no outside help then you would have been fighting Germany (and sitting out the mai phase of combat againest Japan) with our help.
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And who told you that in war Allies vs. USSR you would have air superiority?
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No one. But it is a safe assumption to make.
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And many such guys do you have? We have more than 100 millions, I'm not counting those fragile, pity Moscovians and alike.
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Well, then we throw in Canada, the Dakotas, peeps in the Sierra Nevada, Maine, etc....we could probaly scrape togather 100 million civilians who live in those areas. More to the point, we could scraped togather several ten thousand Pershing MBTs which, if not exactly the T-34, were more than a match for late model German panzers.
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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January 11, 2004, 01:47
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