What do you think is the baddest ass piece of military hardware?

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb
Bought as scrap metal (or something like this) from Ukranian firm. The f***er who sold it dissapiared right after the sale. This motherf*cker sold the work of entire generation of our scientists almost for nothing. The deal was illegal of course, in accordance with both Russian and Ukranian law. S-300 was a classified hardware and this firm had no right to sell it to anybody.

They should have paid those guys what they were worth.

Originally posted by Serb
Only if he is an American spy.

My point exactly (that is people working for us are straight minded ).

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb
What's so funny?
Oh my God It's flying! It's Flying!!!

We stole those flying tank plans from Russia too.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Vince278


How about broken treaties instead of withdrawing?

Ok, I give up. What are you talking about?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Vince278


They should have paid those guys what they were worth.

In SU's law was a nice payment for guys who betrayed their own country- death warrant. To bad we don't have death penalty anymore. This f***er surely deserved it.

My point exactly (that is people working for us are straight minded ).

Only if they are US citizens, otherwise they are traitors.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Vince278


We stole those flying tank plans from Russia too.

Really?

How dare you, you dirty thieves

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Serb
Does anyone know what is it?

can you tell us? I really dont know.

[Tattila the Hun]

Something new for US military? Saw a story somewhere... Can't recall the name, though.

[Lefty Scaevola]

"TUNGUSKA"

Well, isn't that an auspicious choice by the Russkies, naming an air defense system after a place that was smeared of the map by a dirty snowball faling out of the sky.

http://www.s-d-g.freeserve.co.uk/tunguska.html

[Sava]

russia = sux0r

but Serb is soooo entertaining... I love you man!

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Jack_www


Russians do have good tanks and planes. If a world war broke our between the old Soviet Union and United States, I would bet it would be a stalemate.

Now Serb is not going to like this but it would not be stalemate, I assured you.
Russia, 134 million pop. 50% or so are woman. 62 million men left. How many under 50 years of age?
Let's say 50%. 31 million to fight.
US, 280 million pop. 51% are woman. 135 million men.
I think it up to 54% are under 50. About 66 to 68 million are able to fight. That is about 2 to 1 for the USA.

The best equipment is still the F-14, 15, 16, and 18. They have never lost a air to air battle while being flown by US pilot. The best Tank is the M1A2. They have never lost a battle with an another tank.

Remember the first Gulf War, and you saw the picture of the highway with all of the bomb out vehicle, well there is this guy who was there, now working with me, and he told me, that picture was only part of it. He said it was far worse than they were allow to show.

Serb the F-117 that was shot down because the people on the ground saw the plane. Maybe it was not dark enough or the plane was to low or what ever, but they saw it with their eyes and fired the missile and shot it down. If you can see it, you can shoot at it. If you cannot see it, it petty hard to shoot at.

Also the SU-30 is just an update of the SU-27.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sikander


Often times artillery is used to open the way for attack aircraft by destroying or supressing the enemy's air defense net. The Israelis carried out the blueprint for such operations when they invaded Lebanon in 1982. They destroyed Syria's air defense net by using drones and ELINT planes to locate Syria's air defenses and artillery to destroy them, or in a few cases where they were out of range they paved a path with artillery and used helicopter fired missles to take them out. Armor is very handy for dealing with shrapnel from artillery. Also, the autocannon used as ADA in one case may be used as direct fire support for the infantry in another.

Thanks I did not know all this.

I heard the drones are virtually impossible to stop because they are so small

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb
Ok, I give up. What are you talking about?

Breaking a treaty - One party to the treaty unilaterally refusing to fulfill a treaty obligation without cause or never intending to fulfill them in the first place. (example: German violation of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939 to attack the Soviet Union)

Withdrawing from a treaty - Giving notice, within the provisions of the treaty, that you no longer wish to be bound by the terms of the treaty after a specified time. (example: DeGaulle taking France out of NATO)

The difference, you see, is that breaking a treaty is generally considered illegal and dishonorable. Withdrawing from a treaty, however, is entirely legal when allowed by that treaty, another treaty, or by consent of the parties to the treaty.

So, to bring it all together, President Bush withdrawing the US from the ABM Treaty is entirely legal because the provisions of the treaty allow it as long as formal notice was given.

Hope that helps.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb

In SU's law was a nice payment for guys who betrayed their own country- death warrant. To bad we don't have death penalty anymore. This f***er surely deserved it.


Only if they are US citizens, otherwise they are traitors.

I'm sure they didn't think of themselves as traitors.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb

Really?

How dare you, you dirty thieves

[Ted Striker]

<----------- baddest ass

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Jack_www


can you tell us? I really dont know.

Something along the lines of carnal relations with your mother.

[Tattila the Hun]

How about this?



http://www.pipersprecisionproducts.com/

Hoh!

[Sava]

Now Serb is not going to like this but it would not be stalemate, I assured you.
Russia, 134 million pop. 50% or so are woman. 62 million men left. How many under 50 years of age?
Let's say 50%. 31 million to fight.
US, 280 million pop. 51% are woman. 135 million men.
I think it up to 54% are under 50. About 66 to 68 million are able to fight. That is about 2 to 1 for the USA.

but how many of those people are foreign? how many of those people would bolt to Canada at the possibility of some offensive war? I think Russia would have an easier time putting together large ground forces. And how many of those Americans are under 18?

[Sava]

oh yeah, and joseph... if you are talking about war between Russia and US... talking about populations is kind of useless... because most would die in a massive nuclear exchange anyways.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Vince278
Hope that helps.

Since when does supply good facts or explainations to Serb help anything?

[Ecthy]

battleships firing full powa!!

[Tattila the Hun]

Baddest ass piece of military hardware, and some bad ass military software:



The Tiger tank, and Michael Whittman with his crew.

A question: How many of of previous pieces of hardware have actually been used in combat, against competent/skilled troops with good hardware? And how have they fared?
Or is "bad-ass" just about looks?

[Saras]

Wittman is overrated, Count Hyacinth von Strachwitz roolz! Tremble before the masculine, awe-inspiring first name

[Lonestar]

This ain't too bad either

[Chemical Ollie]

Stealth ship Visby

[Lonestar]

You really love that ship, don't you?

[Ecthy]

Were did Wittmann fight? did he kill rooskies or yanks?

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Lonestar
This ain't too bad either

is that a lazer or something?

[Sava]

rockets... duh

[Lonestar]

/me smacks Ted