Tron Pbem

POTUS · December 30, 2003, 21:15

Ok. I am bored, so I am creating a new PBEM of Kobayashi's scenario, The Rape of Nations. You can download the scenario at http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2scenren.shtml#TRON

I would like to be the Dutch, just so that this game will start.

Dutch: POTUS
French: yaroslav
Spanish: Kobra
Heathens: AI
English: El Awrence
Portuguese: Squonk
Other Europeans: AI

POTUS · December 30, 2003, 21:16

A Proclamation from King Michael of Beverly, Lord of the Michleans, Stadtholder General of Holland, Admiral of the Grand Fleet of the Netherlands, and Emperor of Protestant, Mainland Europe.

All Europe can see that the resources of the New World are plentiful. Now, although the Dutch can easily take all that treasure for themselves, we perfer to share. Therefore, we wish to create alliances with other smart Europeans. However, to do so, you must sign the Antewerpen Protocol.

Antewerpen Protocol
I. Preamble
The purpose of this agreement is to regulate colonization and trade among the assorted European Powers so as to prevent conflict.

II. Building Colonies
A. Definition
A colony is the territory of a nation not part of that nation's homeland nor in Europe.

B. Declaration
A colony may be declared when a nation is within 2 years of being able to build the actual colony. Once the colony is declared, a nation may not build a second colony that would interfere with the first colony.

III. Wars
A. Declaration
A nation may declare a war to exist only between colonies, or between nations.

B. Colonial Wars
In the event of a war over colonies, a nation may not attack, nor invade, a nation's possesions in Europe. However, all naval units are fair game.

C. National Wars
In the event of a national war, any and every possesion may be attacked.

IV. Trade
Any nation may establish a trade post, provided they have traders there. They are the only nation allowed to trade there. To establish a trade post, station a merchant there.

V. Signing and Withdrawing
Any nation may sign the treaty, provided they agree to the terms. To withdraw they must give at least 5 turns notice of their intent to withdraw.

Signed,
King Michael of Beverly, Lord of the Michleans, Stadtholder General of Holland, Admiral of the Grand Fleet of the Netherlands, and Emperor of Protestant, Mainland Europe

yaroslav · December 31, 2003, 11:41

POTUS, I'll like to join as Charles the I of Spain, but I've one question: Is mandatory to accept the Antewerpen Protocol? I've some complaints about it (or doubts - I don't understand some points)

Dr. Nick · December 31, 2003, 11:50

I'll take England!

Squonk · December 31, 2003, 11:51

I tried the scenario and found it very good. The terrain concept is revolutionary. Kudos to the author!

I'll take Portugal.

POTUS · December 31, 2003, 15:29

You only have to sign it if you want to be allied with the Dutch.

yaroslav · January 1, 2004, 07:19

My problem is mainly with the colonial wars (if someone declare a colonial war against you... can you answer with a total war declaration?) and the colonies declaration... How are you going to prove that you can settle a colony?

Dr. Nick · January 1, 2004, 10:01

Gah, I hate this scenario in single player.

Eivind IV · January 1, 2004, 16:30

Need a French player? I love this scenario!

POTUS · January 1, 2004, 17:36

You can declare a colonial war, or a total war. If a colonial war is declared against you, you can escalate it into a total war. And to prove that you can settle a colony, a colony must exist within two turns, or, a settler must be there within a turn.

And, yes we need a French player.

Eivind IV · January 1, 2004, 18:15

Quote:

Originally posted by POTUS
And, yes we need a French player.

Great! Anyone care to trade civ with me? I'm already France in a TRON game over at CDG.

yaroslav · January 2, 2004, 16:54

Ok, I'll trade civ with you, if you want.

But If you manage to do bad with my country (the biggest power of the time!), I'll declare war on you!!!

POTUS · January 2, 2004, 17:07

Spain wasn't yet a big power. It had just been unified, and was still trying to repair and rehabilitate itself after hundreds of years of war.

Dr. Nick · January 2, 2004, 18:51

Perfidious Albion will put the dagoes in their place.

POTUS · January 2, 2004, 19:05

Just FYI, the turn order is at the top.

yaroslav · January 2, 2004, 19:42

@POTUS

We crushed France around this time in Naples. We're the biggest power, not yet so powerful as under Philip the II, but no one did stand before us

.

And we were not yet unified (Navarra was annexed in 1504!)

@Martín Races:

Leches, trollecito, ¡Malvinas argentinas! ¿Recuerdas?

Eivind IV · January 2, 2004, 19:44

Quote:

Originally posted by yaroslav
Ok, I'll trade civ with you, if you want.

But If you manage to do bad with my country (the biggest power of the time!), I'll declare war on you!!!

Thanks! I'll do my worst!

POTUS · January 2, 2004, 19:55

For some reason, I remember that Isabella and Ferdinand almost went bankrupt paying for Columbus' first voyage.

And, I didn't know that about Navarra. In all the books in the New World, they say 1483 the Christian kingdoms were unified, 1492, the Muslims lost their last kingdom in Iberia.

Dr. Nick · January 2, 2004, 22:15

I believe Isabella dug into her own pocket to finance the first voyage.

POTUS · January 3, 2004, 03:42

Quote:

Originally posted by El Awrence
I believe Isabella dug into her own pocket to finance the first voyage.

Because Spain didn't have enough money, or because she believed in him, but the rest of Spain didn't?

Dr. Nick · January 3, 2004, 09:00

I think it was because Ferdinand didn't believe it, and they had to decide together or something, so she funded him out of her own pocket. I think she sold a lot of jewellry or something, and that's why Columbus was so addicted to Isabella.

Eivind IV · January 3, 2004, 10:13

BTW: Bump Yaroslavl

yaroslav · January 3, 2004, 10:23

Quote:

Originally posted by POTUS
For some reason, I remember that Isabella and Ferdinand almost went bankrupt paying for Columbus' first voyage.

And, I didn't know that about Navarra. In all the books in the New World, they say 1483 the Christian kingdoms were unified, 1492, the Muslims lost their last kingdom in Iberia.

There were five kingdoms in the Iberian Peninsule in 1483: Portugal, Aragon, Castille, Navarre, Granade; all were christian but Granade. They kings of Navarre and Castille married, conquered Granade in 1492 and Navarre in 1504 (by that time Isabella was died)

I'll play in a few minutes.

yaroslav · January 3, 2004, 11:42

POTUS, your units are moving, so I suppose you've forgotten to press CTRL+N.

POTUS · January 3, 2004, 17:43

Let me check.

POTUS · January 3, 2004, 19:30

Ok, here is it with ctrl-n.

yaroslav · January 4, 2004, 12:48

P&P

Eivind IV · January 4, 2004, 15:21

Off to India!!

Dr. Nick · January 4, 2004, 17:47

June 28th in the Year of Our Lord 1500:

Our voyage begins today, as we set sail with a strong gale east by north. Comissioned by Her Majesty herself, we bear her most secret instructions to be opened on the High Seas once we have cleared the coast of Ireland. My first instructions are to sail west, and to use our cargo to settle the New World so recently discovered, to open up new lands for British trade and ships, to forge for England an Empire.

The sea is tranquil, and the wind strong, and our enterprise commences with great auspices. Already the Queen has ordered that new colonists will soon depart from the docks in England in our wake, so that we may establish the first outposts of England in the New World, as well as in Africa and India.

May the Lord watch over us, and protect us from the elements.

PLEASE don't zip the save Kobra!

Squonk · January 4, 2004, 18:17

A fleet under the command of Pedro Alvares Cabral has set it's course towards the new world.