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That sounds like a wager to me.
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January 3, 2004, 19:54
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He knows what he's doing. He could easily take you in there and make sure you didn't get bit.
Despite appearances to the contrary and the fact he's Australian, the guy is hyper smart and knows his stuff.
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Yeah but the guy in Vegas that got mauled by his own tiger might have said the same thing.
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January 3, 2004, 20:06
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I think this guy's really funny. His enthusiasm is great!
That said, what on Earth is he thinking?
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January 3, 2004, 20:33
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The guy's pretty funny, he's very enthusiastic.
Now, he's a trained professional, and been out there enough to not make a stupid ****up, but he should've expected to get this kind of reaction.
EDIT: Comparison to Jackson is irrelevant. Michael Jackson didn't know jack **** about kids or balconies, whereas this guy knows enough about crocs to keep them from eating him.
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January 3, 2004, 21:02
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It loses its edge like this though. Should have made a thread yesterday.
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January 3, 2004, 21:30
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It's not like he was some random jackass who put his son's face in a rotweiler's. This is a trained pro, who knows animals, knows what they do. He probably had people around with him who would have ran in for the baby if there was a sign of trouble. If the croc had lunged, it wouldn't have gone for the baby in his arms, it would have gone for HIM. I think it was a stupid move for public relations, but if anyone should have a kid in a croc demo, it should be him.
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January 3, 2004, 21:38
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He's already used his daughter as bait numerous times in shows.
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Siegfried and Roy are trained professionals who know how to handle dangerous animals. That still didn't stop them from getting mauled.
Putting yourself in danger for no reason is your own decision, but putting other people in danger not fair to them.
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January 3, 2004, 21:56
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I'd rather my mom had held me in her arms while talking to a croc then smoking while I was in the same room.
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January 3, 2004, 22:01
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He knows what he's doing. He could easily take you in there and make sure you didn't get bit.
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If he wants to risk his own neck that's one thing, but we're dealing here with "what ifs", not what is likely. I wouldn't need him to keep from getting bitten, I'd stay the **** out of the pit or keep plenty of distance between me and the croc, and I certainly would not let Irwin hold onto to me ~10 feet away from the croc. What if the croc made a sudden lunge and Irwin slipped when reacting? Yeah, it didn't happen. That ain't the point, there's something called reckless endangerment and I find his behavior about as silly as Jackson's.
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Siegfried and Roy are trained professionals who know how to handle dangerous animals. That still didn't stop them from getting mauled.
Putting yourself in danger for no reason is your own decision, but putting other people in danger not fair to them.
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They are wild animals
Hence the adjective "wild"
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January 3, 2004, 22:03
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Maybe he did it as a display of sympathy for poor, misunderstood, persecuted Michael Jackson.
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I'd rather my mom had held me in her arms while talking to a croc then smoking while I was in the same room.
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Your mom has complete control over what happens with that cigarette
She has no control over the crocodile even if she is an expert on its behavior
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January 3, 2004, 22:09
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Your mom has complete control over what happens with that cigarette
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She has no control over the fumes of the cigarette.
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As for Roy, I heard he slipped during a performance and the noise of the crowd, the lights, etc,. spooked the tiger which, according to Seigfried, was trying to protect him from a perceived danger. The tiger treated him like a cub in danger, grabbed him with his jaws and dragged him off the stage. But because Roy weighs more than a cub, the tiger had to apply more pressure with his jaws to drag him. Sounds logical, the tiger didn't actually maul him on the spot but tried to drag him away from the danger... Roy had only a handful of puncture wounds from the tiger's teeth, a mauling would have ripped him to shreds with the claws doing most of the damage...
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January 3, 2004, 22:11
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Yeah she does
She can make sure there aren't any fumes by not lighting it in the first place
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I'd rather my mom had held me in her arms while talking to a croc then smoking while I was in the same room.
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You can get up off the couch and walk into another room. Could this infant make that same choice?
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As for Roy, I heard he slipped during a performance and the noise of the crowd, the lights, etc,. spooked the tiger which, according to Seigfried, was trying to protect him from a perceived danger. The tiger treated him like a cub in danger, grabbed him with his jaws and dragged him off the stage. But because Roy weighs more than a cub, the tiger had to apply more pressure with his jaws to drag him. Sounds logical, the tiger didn't actually maul him on the spot but tried to drag him away from the danger... Roy had only a handful of puncture wounds from the tiger's teeth, a mauling would have ripped him to shreds with the claws doing most of the damage...
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Point being, animals are unpredictable. Does it really matter if the tiger attacked or was protecting him, the result was poor Roy ended up in the hospital and a lot of others ended up without jobs. But like someone has already mentioned he made a decision for himself to be in that line of business, but the infant has made no such decision. He just ended up with a crazy Aussie father who likes to include him in his acts..
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You can get up off the couch and walk into another room.
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It shoud read "same house". You ever lived with a smoker?
Besides, a 2 month old isn't going to "get up off the couch and walk into another room".
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I imagine so, he'd probably be dead if the tiger was trying to kill him.
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Siegfried and Roy are trained professionals who know how to handle dangerous animals.
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Crocs generally don't lunge forward. If it did, it'd gnaw on his leg first. It's not a wise move, but he probably knows more about crocs than you know about beer.
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Bullcrap - I've been in croc country and the most chilling observation made by a ranger was the crocodile was the fastest animal over 20 or 30 metres. The way it hunts is to lunge head first at prey drinking on riverbanks. The main message being if you got too close to the water you stood no chance of outrunning a croc.
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Bullcrap - I've been in croc country and the most chilling observation made by a ranger was the crocodile was the fastest animal over 20 or 30 metres. The way it hunts is to lunge head first at prey drinking on riverbanks. The main message being if you got too close to the water you stood no chance of outrunning a croc.
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Do note that crocs only move fast when coming out of the water, not when wallowing on land.
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Yeah, what an *******! Doing that to a little kid, his own kid...
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What if the crocodile decided to protect mr Irwin from the baby?
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Do note that crocs only move fast when coming out of the water, not when wallowing on land.
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No, it's true, Horse is right, for the first few feet they can outrun absolutley anything.
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Crocs can run very very fast, just not for a long time. Most species can "run" at 11kph, and some can even reach a speed of 17kph.
http://animal.discovery.com/converge...t/expert2.html
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People often ask whether it's possible to outrun a crocodile, and the answer is yes! Don't bother trying to zigzag while you run, though — just cut a nice, straight line away from the crocodile as fast as you can, and you'll easily beat it. The danger that crocodiles pose is not their ability to run after you, but their ability to strike before you even know what's happening. In other words, keep your distance and you'll be safe.
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Not that it makes much difference at the distance his child was from the croc. Nor would a baby be able to outrun anything.
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No, it's true, Horse is right, for the first few feet they can outrun absolutley anything.
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Anything can outrun anything for the first few feet, mainly because that implies that the target is nearby and is caught unaware.
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