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Unpredictable
Space exploration provide large, but very unpredictable benefits to human kind. The initial benefits may seem small, but they have a way of cascading and going off in many seemingly different directions.
The initial efforts to develop sub-orbital rockets really spurred the development of computers and integrated circuits. Would we have had them without the money spend on this (I do count this as part of space research)? Maybe, but if so, it would certainly have happened later and on a smaller initial scale.
In addition to the obvious benefits like Velcro and Tang, there are much more serious insights gained into human health.
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January 7, 2004, 01:07
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theres some 30 thousand patents based directly off of Nasa research since 1958.
http://tech-transfer.larc.nasa.gov/p...SAPatents.html
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January 7, 2004, 01:08
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Naaaaaaahhhh, let's divy up the NASA budget so everyone can get their allotted turnip for the year. That'd be so much more gratifying...
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January 10, 2004, 16:58
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There are some pretty cool spectrometer readings coming out...
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...20040109a.html
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January 10, 2004, 17:02
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That curve gives me a chubby, Dan.
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January 10, 2004, 17:03
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Knew it would.
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January 10, 2004, 18:01
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That color photo is WOW!!! That HAS to be a lake bed, I am sure of it! Because of the lack of big boulders it really looks like a terran desert.  Those black rocks are basalt, right?
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January 10, 2004, 21:10
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so is this where I get to gloat that longer, harder, and more expensive really does work? Or should I praise the Beagal or was it Bagel? 
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January 10, 2004, 21:18
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Why is the mini-TES graph so 'spikey'? It's got much more exaggerated peaks and valleys.
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January 10, 2004, 21:26
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Gosh, I love this pic Space. I can't wait to be there! 
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January 10, 2004, 21:51
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WOW! Space's pic is the clearest photo of the martian surface I have ever seen! OVER 500 IMAGES!?!
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January 10, 2004, 22:52
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not just water, but also 2 carbonates(which are created by life/water processes).
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January 10, 2004, 23:42
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not just water, but also 2 carbonates(which are created by life/water processes).
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If we find large deposits of calcium carbonate that probably means that there was most likely once photosynthetic microbes that made carbonate shells, like diatom algae here on earth. You need plakton for large carbonate deposits like the white cliffs of Dover, in southern England. That data makes me hopeful. I'll be pleasently suprised if we find evidence of life of protozoan complexity, not just bacteria-like. 
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January 11, 2004, 01:14
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Why is the mini-TES graph so 'spikey'? It's got much more exaggerated peaks and valleys.
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Right. That's how a spectrometer works. Each spike represents a different substance being sensed. So what the spectrometer is looking at several substances.
TCO could explain more.
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January 11, 2004, 01:29
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Too busy 
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January 11, 2004, 01:30
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doing what
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January 11, 2004, 01:39
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will have to get off on IR spectrum instead of pantyhose legs...
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January 11, 2004, 03:15
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January 11, 2004, 03:16
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LOL I know I was wondering why it was so spikey 'in relation to the other TES'...I didn't think I'd have to say that.
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January 11, 2004, 04:59
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Regarding possible life forms: What happened to those petrified micro structures of organic life in Martian meteorites they found in the mid 1990's? Was the evidence inconclusive after all, there doesn't seem to be much talk of them these days.
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January 11, 2004, 13:42
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What a wonderful birthday gift!
(I hope.)
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January 11, 2004, 13:47
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LOL I know I was wondering why it was so spikey 'in relation to the other TES'...I didn't think I'd have to say that.
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I suspect the orbital is looking over a much larger area, so spikes caused by local concentrations of one thing or another would be smoothed out.
With the mini, you focusing on a much smaller area, so local concentrations really stand out.
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January 11, 2004, 16:53
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Originally posted by Winston
Regarding possible life forms: What happened to those petrified micro structures of organic life in Martian meteorites they found in the mid 1990's? Was the evidence inconclusive after all, there doesn't seem to be much talk of them these days.
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They were too small to be microfossils, actual bacteria-like organisms would be at least 100 times as big.
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January 11, 2004, 17:46
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On of the pics from Spirit.
Appropriate
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January 12, 2004, 18:34
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Here's a good explanation of what the spectrometer readouts mean...
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994554
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