Cops Walk A Mile In Our Shoes... - Page 2

MrFun · January 4, 2004, 15:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Park Avenue
They have got this completely backwards. They should make gays holding hands in public illegal, rather than this joke.

You really are homophobic, aren't you?

Reasonable gay activists demand nothing more than being allowed to behave the same way that heterosexuals behave in public, that is considered to be appropriate behavior for public places.

And thumbs up for this police initative.

notyoueither · January 4, 2004, 15:57

Quote:

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Am I the only one that finds this program assinine? If a cop doesn't understand that gays (like everyone else) dislike being harrassed, beaten up, or killed they don't deserve to continue wearing a badge. One day pretending to be something you aren't won't change that.

I think it might be to give recruits an idea of how pervasive and open hostility to gays can be / is. That might have an impact on how seriously they treat people who are having problems.

Police departments in many places underwent other excercises and training not so long ago so that officers would take domestic violence seriously. I don't think that was assinine, nor is this.

If anything, I'm a little disappointed that it would be that easy to arouse open hostility, especially in that area of the city. If anything, that validates the excercise. [Edit]Rereading, it wasn't clear that they did this on Whyte Avenue, but still.[/Edit]

rev · January 4, 2004, 16:03

DinoDoc: It's not a matter of the police not understanding that homosexuals don't want to be harassed. It's a method of showing them first-hand how such harassment might be carried out.

KrazyHorse · January 4, 2004, 16:06

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither
[Edit]Rereading, it wasn't clear that they did this on Whyte Avenue, but still.[/Edit]

Whyte Av is ****. I went on a barcrawl along there...

notyoueither · January 4, 2004, 16:07

Quote:

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Whyte Av is ****. I went on a barcrawl along there...

Yes, yes, Kitty. We know you prefer the action of inner city America.

KrazyHorse · January 4, 2004, 16:08

I prefer home, actually.

Inner city america is even worse because people are afraid to be on the ****ing street at 2am...

notyoueither · January 4, 2004, 16:13

You're lucky to be from Montreal. It wouldn't be special if everywhere were the same.

KrazyHorse · January 4, 2004, 16:15

I'm just bugging you about Whyte.

It was interesting. We went from what passes for trendy club in Alberta (

) to a biker bar to a cowboy-type place with girls slinging Bud from coolers....

DinoDoc · January 4, 2004, 16:15

Quote:

Originally posted by rev
DinoDoc: It's a method of showing them first-hand how such harassment might be carried out.

Ok, that actually sounds like a good point.

The Emperor Fabulous · January 4, 2004, 16:21

This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force, as there are blacks, hispanics, and Iris...er, alcoholics.

DinoDoc · January 4, 2004, 16:22

Quote:

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force,

What makes you think there aren't any?

chequita guevara · January 4, 2004, 16:24

Quote:

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force, as there are blacks, hispanics, and Iris...er, alcoholics.

There are, they're just closeted because the police force tends to be extremely macho.

KrazyHorse · January 4, 2004, 16:25

Just like there aren't any in the Navy....

MrFun · January 4, 2004, 18:08

Quote:

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
This would be irrelevant if there were gays on the police force, as there are blacks, hispanics, and Iris...er, alcoholics.

Non-heterosexuals are in every occupation you can think of.

Zylka · January 4, 2004, 18:26

This from racist, homophopic, right wing Alberta. Hopefully the East wakes the **** up to realise we're one of the more progressive & tolerant areas of the nation.

Not kidding. There's plenty of spin available to argue against it (oh no, gay marriages - how important!) - but deep down, Alberta has a lot more to offer than the rest of the nation, considering.

Pekka · January 4, 2004, 18:41

Well, I guess since cops are supposed to protect and serve, it's a good exercise.. do little experimenting and have first hand information about the situation.

I mean, they do put women cops to play as prossies in the streets and then catch the guys willing to pay.... so, why not put few guys to be as gay and then catch the ones that tries to attack them, if there is higher hate crime rate in some places, it could be tried out.

rev · January 4, 2004, 19:20

Well, IMO it shouldn't be the goal of police to help instigate crimes or misbehavior for the purpose of catching and punishing the subject. But there's a key difference between prostitution and harassment of non-heteros: homophobes don't tend to seek out homosexuals for the purpose of harassing them, whereas those soliciting prostitution are looking for prostitutes.

Sava · January 4, 2004, 19:29

well prostitution shouldn't even be illegal in the first place

The Emperor Fabulous · January 4, 2004, 19:43

Well, that's what I'm saying.

I don't mean that there aren't any. I mean those that are open. It's hard to be a closet black (unless you're Colin Powell).

MattyBoy · January 4, 2004, 20:18

Thumbs up for this initiative and thumbs up to PA for such a provocative troll.

Boris Godunov · January 4, 2004, 20:19

You should have seen the PM he sent me after he was banned...got him another week!

Spiffor · January 4, 2004, 20:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
You should have seen the PM he sent me after he was banned...got him another week!

Wow. It must really have been bad

notyoueither · January 4, 2004, 20:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Sava
well prostitution shouldn't even be illegal in the first place

It isn't illegal in Canada. Communicating in a public place for the purpose of buying or selling is. Many cities now license escort services, and some of them encourage 'owner operated' to cut down on exploitation. The object is to get it off the streets and out of the hands of pimps.

Sikander · January 4, 2004, 21:14

Quote:

Originally posted by MrFun

Non-heterosexuals are in every occupation you can think of.

Wetnurse.

TCO · January 4, 2004, 22:24

Quote:

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Am I the only one that finds this program assinine? If a cop doesn't understand that gays (like everyone else) dislike being harrassed, beaten up, or killed they don't deserve to continue wearing a badge. One day pretending to be something you aren't won't change that.

What's the big deal? it's just a short exercise. They get all kinds of training in this and that. I think it is a good exercise to let them know what it feels like.

TCO · January 4, 2004, 22:28

Quote:

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Couldn't you permi-ban him? I mean, it's not like he isn't already.

Stew or I?

Sava · January 4, 2004, 22:39

Quote:

Stew or I?

why not both

Quote:

It isn't illegal in Canada. Communicating in a public place for the purpose of buying or selling is. Many cities now license escort services, and some of them encourage 'owner operated' to cut down on exploitation. The object is to get it off the streets and out of the hands of pimps.

wow, Canada is just so much smarter than the US... no wonder they don't have the problems we do.

TCO · January 4, 2004, 23:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Sava

why not both

Whatever, FG DL.

Jon Miller · January 4, 2004, 23:59

Quote:

Originally posted by Pekka
Well, I guess since cops are supposed to protect and serve, it's a good exercise.. do little experimenting and have first hand information about the situation.

what is the police department doing ordering it's people's sex lives

people should be able to determine their own sexuality

Jon Miller

cinch · January 5, 2004, 01:12

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither
If anything, I'm a little disappointed that it would be that easy to arouse open hostility, especially in that area of the city. If anything, that validates the excercise. [Edit]Rereading, it wasn't clear that they did this on Whyte Avenue, but still.[/Edit]

I concur with this. You would think that Whyte Av. would be one of the more gay-friendly areas of the city, what with the whole cosmopolitan thing they have going on down there.

I'd hate to see what would happen if they did this exercise in... um... I just realised that I don't really know what area of my own city is regarded as "most conservative"...

Uh... I wouldn't reccommend that men walk hand in hand down by the Greyhound Station and the Edmonton Centre parkade, but then again, I wouldn't reccommend that anyone walk down there, if they can avoid it.