Top Ten World Powers - Page 2

Drogue · January 5, 2004, 22:17

I reckon it is. Smaller than Japan's, but Japan's in a large decline, has very little growth. The UK economu weathered the world downturn better than any other. We have lower borrowing than Germany, higher interest rates, rates of growth and inflation. Germany's recovering, and has to contend with Euro interest rates, which are probably too high for what it needs. Japan's government is so crippled by debt it can hardly act effectively.

I'd say the UK is a stronger economy.

C0ckney · January 5, 2004, 22:17

no, but we're still far more important on the world stage than they are, and while we're on subject of importance on the world stage why are people putting china so high

cinch · January 5, 2004, 22:21

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Originally posted by C0ckney
no, but we're still far more important on the world stage than they are, and while we're on subject of importance on the world stage why are people putting china so high

(A) They would give the 'Mericans the best fight out of all the other countries.

(B) They have tremendous productive/economic power due to their large population and cheap labour.

Drogue · January 5, 2004, 22:21

China has such a large population, military power and economic incentive for any country to invest in it that it has much influence. The US companies want to break into China, it has some of the worlds largest banks and much money is put through it's markets, via Hong Kong. It's massively powerful in terms of size, military power, economic strength, and the incentive for future trade through strong predictions. It's gaining power diplomatically, and is a huge world player. It has a veto on the UN council too, to show it's diplomatic power.

cinch · January 5, 2004, 22:22

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Originally posted by Drogue
China has such a large population, military power and economic incentive for any country to invest in it that it has much influence. The US companies want to break into China, it has some of the worlds largest banks and much money is put through it's markets, via Hong Kong. It's massively powerful in terms of size, military power, economic strength, and the incentive for future trade through strong predictions. It's gaining power diplomatically, and is a huge world player. It has a veto on the UN council too, to show it's diplomatic power.

Yeah, what he said...

Sandman · January 5, 2004, 22:33

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Originally posted by Drogue
I reckon it is. Smaller than Japan's, but Japan's in a large decline, has very little growth. The UK economu weathered the world downturn better than any other. We have lower borrowing than Germany, higher interest rates, rates of growth and inflation. Germany's recovering, and has to contend with Euro interest rates, which are probably too high for what it needs. Japan's government is so crippled by debt it can hardly act effectively.

I'd say the UK is a stronger economy.

Well, I suppose we define economic strength differently. A sick weight-lifter is still stronger than a healthy vicar. But I see your point.

C0ckney · January 5, 2004, 22:35

china has got a large population, but isn't really a military power on the same level as britain, france or even russia. they simply can't project force effectivly, as for giving the US a fight, that would hardly qualify as a contest. it is still a diplomatic minow, and despite its seat on the security council its opinion is considered unimportant in most parts of the world.

it has potenial, a lot of it, but it isn't there yet and won't be able to catch up with nations like the UK or france for a long time, if ever.

Nubclear · January 5, 2004, 22:36

8/10. That's sure to hook SOMEONE

Patroklos · January 5, 2004, 22:42

Ther German economy, as well as all economic systems, are prone to temporary recessions. There is a big differeance between a recession and depression, something alot of amatuer comentators here in the states should learn. The last thing you want is uncontroled growth without any plateus (sp) or slight dips, which leads to an equally uncontrolled shivel. Even in their depressed state every major western economy is still at a greater economic output that 5 years ago.

mrmitchell · January 5, 2004, 22:56

1. USA! USA! USA! [picture of that britney ho with the flag shirt]
2. UK
Just because.
3. China
More manpower than any other muthafukka on the PLANET
4. Germany
Strong nation. (IOW, I don't know any specifics but have a gut feeling that they're around tops)
5. India
Almost as much manpower as tha numba one muthafukka
6. France
France has enough power, mostly economic and influentially, to merit a spot.
7. Russia
Russia has $1B. No it doesn't. It has 6B acres of land. No wait that's 9! Or am I right? *has more vodka*
8. Japan
Theyd go higher but are too busy with their neat consumer electronics. Consider that, the last time they tried to fuk with us muthafukkas, it took the Bomb to break their spirit. (Things have changed now), but hot damn, that's some determination!
9. Isreal
International influence
10. Saudi Arabia
Enough oil to drown every SUV on the planet.

Nubclear · January 5, 2004, 23:00

1. Mozambique

Ted Striker · January 5, 2004, 23:14

1. Utah

Nubclear · January 5, 2004, 23:21

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1. Utah

Your new President!

Ted Striker · January 5, 2004, 23:29

I'd hit the new President

Nubclear · January 5, 2004, 23:36

Would you hit the Vice President too?

Joseph · January 5, 2004, 23:44

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Nice list. But you forgot one dimension: Spiritual protection.

In that case I would put Israel at the top of the list.

Yes but you forgot they kill his Son, and he may be a little upset with them for a while longer. And this time around God did not restore Israel to the Israeli, the UN with a big push from the US returned them to their homeland, after what, 1500 years.

Joseph · January 5, 2004, 23:47

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Originally posted by mrmitchell
3. China
More manpower than any other muthafukka on the PLANET
5. India
Almost as much manpower as tha numba one muthafukka

One Ohio class sub coud take care of that pop. problem, with no one left over.

PLATO · January 5, 2004, 23:49

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Originally posted by Joseph
Yes but you forgot they kill his Son, and he may be a little upset with them for a while longer. And this time around God did not restore Israel to the Israeli, the UN with a big push from the US returned them to their homeland, after what, 1500 years.

Doesn't Revelations predict that God will intervene on their behalf and destroy an invading army as the end times near?

Urban Ranger · January 5, 2004, 23:56

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Originally posted by C0ckney
it is still a diplomatic minow, and despite its seat on the security council its opinion is considered unimportant in most parts of the world.

As compared to the UK? I still remember the Hong Kong handover talks

China has influence around the Pacific Rim, in Central Asia, in South Asia, and in certain parts of Africa and Latin America. Now, where does UK has diplomatic influence? It doesn't even have a big pull even in the EU.

Certainly the US has the most influence, but we are talking about everybody else here.

Joseph · January 5, 2004, 23:56

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Originally posted by PLATO

Doesn't Revelations predict that God will intervene on their behalf and destroy an invading army as the end times near?

Yes.

Urban Ranger · January 5, 2004, 23:57

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Originally posted by Joseph
One Ohio class sub coud take care of that pop. problem, with no one left over.

Clearly extremely exaggerated.

Spiffor · January 6, 2004, 00:04

China is not to be #2 until they have power projection capabilities. For now, they have a big land military, but that's about it. Besides, China's economy is still extremely weak compared to the population, and France, UK, Germany, japan, and even California still have a comfortable advance on China's whole GDP.

China is overrated for today. It's the big contender as the superpower of the future, but there is still a looooong way to go.

UK, France and Russia as #2, 3 and 4 (in any order). China should be the first of the "golbally important regional powers" that are India, Pakistan and China.

PLATO · January 6, 2004, 00:04

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Clearly extremely exaggerated.

Not Hardly. Each missle can leave a footprint 50 miles wide by 200 miles long. With corresponding radioactive damage an Ohio could make China pretty sparsley populated pretty quick.

Joseph · January 6, 2004, 00:07

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Clearly extremely exaggerated.

20 tubes each sub. Each missile carries 10 warheads, 2 ktl each. Used your math. 200 hundred warhead per boat. I will stay with my exaggerated quote.

Nubclear · January 6, 2004, 00:16

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Originally posted by Spiffor
but there is still a looooong way to go.

30-50 years isn't that long

PLATO · January 6, 2004, 00:19

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Originally posted by Spiffor
China is not to be #2 until they have power projection capabilities. For now, they have a big land military, but that's about it. Besides, China's economy is still extremely weak compared to the population, and France, UK, Germany, japan, and even California still have a comfortable advance on China's whole GDP.

China is overrated for today. It's the big contender as the superpower of the future, but there is still a looooong way to go.

UK, France and Russia as #2, 3 and 4 (in any order). China should be the first of the "golbally important regional powers" that are India, Pakistan and China.

I agree. Power projection, except for countries physically touching China, is extremely poor. Logistical infrastructure to support a deployed army is almost non-existent.

Additionally, China is way behind in the technology gap. British and even French units have far more combat experience and the knowledge of battlefield manuveur that comes with it. All NATO countries train in AIRLAND doctrine...China does not. What China brings to the table is huge numbers of people and huge potential. Not yet a top five, but the potential is there.

MrFun · January 6, 2004, 00:33

1. United States
2. China
3. Mingopulco
4. Japan
5. Germany
6. Mars
7. Israel
8. Neverland
9. Russia
10. Texas

Spiffor · January 6, 2004, 00:43

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Originally posted by MrFun
8. Neverland

KrazyHorse · January 6, 2004, 00:47

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Originally posted by Drogue
I reckon it is. Smaller than Japan's, but Japan's in a large decline, has very little growth. The UK economu weathered the world downturn better than any other. We have lower borrowing than Germany, higher interest rates, rates of growth and inflation. Germany's recovering, and has to contend with Euro interest rates, which are probably too high for what it needs. Japan's government is so crippled by debt it can hardly act effectively.

I'd say the UK is a stronger economy.

Germany and Japan have much larger economies than the UK.

France (I think) is slightly larger.

Ben Kenobi · January 6, 2004, 00:47

Throw me in with all the Canucks clamouring for Canada.

Also when you are considering the population of India and China. you have to remember the distribution. Population is not dispersed equally across China or India, but clumps in the cities. If you targetted just the cities you could take out a large proportion of the population of either China or India.

Oh, and before I forget, I like the sig Cockney.