Yang is a fraud

#endgame · January 8, 2004, 07:22

We all know this quote by heart:

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What do I care about your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.

--Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
"Essays on Mind and Matter"

But notice that when you eradicate the Hive and Yang goes into his punishment sphere, he screams. It seems that he cannot "take control of the input". If he can't, who can expect his followers to?

Or something.

Jamski · January 8, 2004, 10:11

Yep, he's a woss like all of us.

-Jam

Lazerus · January 8, 2004, 10:48

It's propoganda put out to try and break the spirits of his followers ... but we shall not falter ! the chairman will be released

Snowflake · January 8, 2004, 12:21

Yang has excellent pain endurance, trust me. It is not so much not to scream when you are in pain, it is how you control your mind when you are in pain. Don't let the appearance of a screaming man deceive you ...

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Suddenly the shadow exploded into motion, and a black serpent crossed the distance to Yang in a heartbeat. Yang felt red hot wires of pain lace his neck, and he fell to his knees, cursing the post-sleep weakness that dulled his reflexes.
Psych-whip, a part of him thought calmly. They have been in the armory. And then he smiled as the pain intensified...he welcomed it, opened himself to it, letting it dance on his nerves and dissolve into his spine. Pain, awaken me….
"We mean you no immediate harm, but I know of your special talents. You must follow my instructions. Do not speak. Crawl along the blue lines."
He looked at the blue dots on the floor, his head still swimming. His eyes flickered up to one corner of the room, a zone of darkness with the vague sense of a metal bulkhead curving. In that darkness he could imagine the bland silvery eye of the security camera staring down at him, but it could not see into the far corner, where the blue dots lead.
He felt the muscles tighten along his back. He felt the cool metal floor beneath his hands.
Abruptly, he stood. Electric tension jolted across the room as shredder pistols twitched to follow him. He could smell the uncertainty...should we fire?...and it had the metallic tang of fear.
He took one slow pace along the blue dots, shuffling as if from fatigue, and then every muscle in his body exploded backward toward his cryocell as a yell from the bottom of his lungs split the darkness. One roll and he reached back over his head to take the black metal lockbox into his hands...no wasted motion, no wasted time. He had already seen the action in his mind. And then...

From Journey to Centauri. There were more, but I wouldn't bore everybody with it.

Mr. Harley · January 8, 2004, 12:22

Unfortunately for him, the data was force fed. He neglected to consider that possibility.

Snowflake · January 8, 2004, 12:50

Data is always force fed. Read it again.

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you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.

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And then he smiled as the pain intensified...he welcomed it, opened himself to it, letting it dance on his nerves and dissolve into his spine. Pain, awaken me….

Illuminatus · January 8, 2004, 15:27

Yang does not scream!
Option 1:
It is a computer generated screaming resembling his voice. It is played at the time of the incarceration so that his capturers would not be frustated that he can`t make Yang feel pain. This is done for the purpose of propaganda.

Option 2:
A michrochip has been installed in his body that takes control of his vocal chords, facial muscles, lungs and jaw, forcing him to scream even if he doesn`t want to, just zo show him that he is defeated.

additional theories welcome!

TimeTraveler · January 8, 2004, 15:59

Yang got a .96 on the Atherholt Trauma Function test, meaning his tolerance to pain is ridiculously high for human standards, but not perfect. All they had to do was raise the pain level of the punishment sphere to more than ridiculously high.

Alinestra Covelia · January 8, 2004, 16:40

According to Spaceballs logic, that would be Ludicrously High.

Mr. President · January 8, 2004, 17:16

I don't consider Yang a fraud because he genuinely believes his philosophy.

#endgame · January 8, 2004, 18:49

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Originally posted by HongHu
It is not so much not to scream when you are in pain, it is how you control your mind when you are in pain. Don't let the appearance of a screaming man deceive you ...

Doesn't the guy in the virtual world movie scream until he "takes control of the input"?

Snowflake · January 8, 2004, 19:05

Don't waste your precious energy to reshape your physical reaction. Then your mind will be free ...

I'd scream, I'd cry ... But you'll never be able to crash me.

Vev · January 8, 2004, 22:31

Curse, those females and their superior pain tolerance.

*shudders at the thought Yang is a female in disguise*

Enigma_Nova · January 9, 2004, 00:59

Perhaps Yang has the sort of training I have.

Why bother in futility to fight a feeling which is inevitable? Why resist it if you gain nothing by doing so?
Would it not be better to accept the feeling, and let yourself be based around it, rather than waste your time trying to fight against it?
(Of course I try to fight the bloody pain if I feel I have something that needs to be done but if I'm sitting in a sphere I can't do very much can I?)

Rather than fighting the pain, fight yourself, and control yourself so that you can take the pain.
Make it so, that pain no longer bothers you. Let it be a part of you, and you a part of the pain.
Do not ignore, accept. Acceptance is superior to ignorance.

Accept the pain and fight its source. That's my strategy. I see FAR too many people doing things the other way around...

Sarxis · January 9, 2004, 02:07

Maybe Yang is screaming the death cry on behalf of the Hive's collective consciousness?

Lazerus · January 9, 2004, 13:32

Why accept pain when simply cutting it off at the source and utterly ignoring the neurons in your brain that are telling you there is such a thing would result in immunity rather then your adjustment strategy?

However the downside to both cases is the better you get then you will basically lose a sense, touch. Unless you can control it like a switch.

Snowflake · January 9, 2004, 14:48

You accept it because it is one of the inputs. Cutting it out means, yes, you are losing a sense. You can't form the right output. But more importantly, you are not complete.

Experience the experience. Feel it, in fact, amplify it. It will make you richer.

Enigma_Nova · January 9, 2004, 19:22

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Originally posted by Lazerus
Why accept pain when simply cutting it off at the source and utterly ignoring the neurons in your brain that are telling you there is such a thing would result in immunity rather then your adjustment strategy?

However the downside to both cases is the better you get then you will basically lose a sense, touch. Unless you can control it like a switch.

I can ignore -most- pain this way. I can't ignore being exhausted, though; It's probably a good thing as I'd likely kill myself if I could!

But Ignorance is inferior to acceptance, I'll give that.
Fighting wastes valuable energy and resources, it is more efficient to work with your surroundings.
Adapting the surroundings works too, but programming yourself to be immune to pain tends to make you do dumb things.

Lazerus · January 10, 2004, 08:28

Meditate, control yourself and increase your energy.

:) Smiley · January 10, 2004, 20:41

No pain no gain. Yet the game is imbalanced in favor of Yang.

#endgame · January 11, 2004, 02:54

Now that I have divided the chairman's followers with this debate, I will buy them out with my gazillion energy credits. Go Morgan!

Lazerus · January 11, 2004, 08:02

We care not for your pleasures.

And thank you for now uniting us against a common enemy

#endgame · January 11, 2004, 08:11

Oops.

Frankychan · January 12, 2004, 23:44

I don't know what you guys are talking about.

"Yang in a punishment sphere"? Where the heck is that? All I see are faction leaders who've been stamped under the heel of Chairman Yang and the Human Hive.

Glory to the Hive!!!

Mr. Harley · January 13, 2004, 04:24

Sometimes though the Gaians get to feed him to the mindworms. :P

Alinestra Covelia · January 13, 2004, 11:25

funny last time that happened the mind worms got as far as his dura mater before shrivelling up and dying. psychic resonancing revealed millions on tiny voices shouting "ACK IT'S A TRAP WE'VE BEEN POISONED THEY'VE FED US HARDCORE WEIRDASS BRAIN MATTER ACK"

Say what you like, but Chairman Sheng Ji Yang is a leader of a core far harder than any other faction.

Enigma_Nova · January 13, 2004, 15:54

Sorry, but both Morgan and Miriam follow their doctrines more hard-coredly than Yang does.

Illuminatus · January 13, 2004, 15:59

Every faction leader follows his doctrines same as the others do. There is no difference between strengths of each belief. Zak is and stays mad researcher, Yang is and stays an idi... ermm a genius. [looks frightened around for signs of Mind Police]

Shai-Hulud · January 14, 2004, 03:33

It's 50/50, though I was sure Yang emphatizers would dominate

Now, go forth, and thought control more followers...

Frankychan · January 16, 2004, 21:53

Disciples of Yang:

Alinestra Covelia
Lazarus
HongHu
Frankychan

....anymore? We be kicking it, Hive-style up in this mutha frizzin hiz-ouse!