My official position is netural in all matters regarding peace and cycon.
Summary:
* Kody complains about no decision being made on the cycon issue.
* Voltaire points out we're in pact, but we're not obligated at all due to no formal document being written up.
* General grumbling about the way the hive decisions wander like a stray sheep.
* Kody points out that the cycon are actually weak for all their boasting and have changed back to economic production after seeing the hive's infiltration.
* Voltaire suggests that hive needs to go to war with the cycon to keep the citizens happy as the university isn't a team anymore.
Kody says: what's your opinion on the peace?
Voltaire says: But try to resist looking at the other forums.
Voltaire says: We should give them tech and units to fight back against the CyCon
Voltaire says: retake their former territory
Voltaire says: also
Voltaire says: I think we should have the Drones call into session an RP planetary council
Kody says: they won't be able to retake their former territory alone
Voltaire says: To decide on the Peace-CyCon issue
Kody says: if we do that while the cycon are winning
Kody says: the cycon will hate us for it
Voltaire says: Let them
Kody says: by doing that you set our path against the cycon you realise?
Voltaire says: I do not see why we should allow the CyCon to invade other factions freely
Voltaire says: They started the war
Voltaire says: they are the aggressors
Voltaire says: The Planetary Council has every right do demand they withdraw from PEACE territory
Voltaire says: if they do not
Voltaire says: then we have an excuse to go in and help peace
Voltaire says: Indeed
Kody says: how does multivote systems work
Kody says: the option with the most votes win?
Voltaire says: multivote?
Voltaire says: oh
Voltaire says: hmm
Voltaire says: Not quite sure exactly
Voltaire says: but yes
Kody says: at the moment it's 2 votes to help the peace
Voltaire says: the option with the most votes wins
Kody says: we should negotiate something with the peace
Kody says: also we don't have the actual military techs that the peace need
Kody says: we'll need to get the drones to give them to the peace and that might mean concessions
Voltaire says: concessions?
Kody says: Personally I would agree to cloudbase in exchange for full drone backing of peace as submissive
Kody says: peace as submissive would give an extra forum to play in
Kody says: and more people in interact with hopefully
Voltaire says: indeed
Voltaire says: I see what you're getting at
Kody says: however, we need to finalise the darn cycon issue
Voltaire says: which one?lol
Kody says: jamski effectively cut the decision off
Voltaire says: there's so many
Kody says: the cycon issue in our diplomatic stance
Voltaire says: did we not vote for neutrality?
Kody says: are we considering ourselves netural or for war?
Kody says: or for pact
Kody says: I think we went for some kind of pact
Kody says: can you post me the link of the decision
Voltaire says: I'll try to find it
Voltaire says: but well
Voltaire says: frankly the Hive public opinion changes too quickly
Voltaire says: we might need another poll on the issue
Kody says: yeah
Kody says: it changes day by day
Voltaire says: I don't think we know what we want
Kody says: depending on which politican is shouting loudest
Voltaire says:
http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...hreadid=105462
Voltaire says: the winner was "declare neutral stance to both Cycon and PEACE"
Voltaire says: at 40%
Kody says: heh
Kody says: but we never did
Voltaire says: true
Kody says: also if you look at the options
Kody says: 2 for cycon
Kody says: 2 for netural public
Voltaire says: Only 5 voters
Voltaire says: Yes, I'm aware
Voltaire says: This is why I want compromise
Kody says: 1 for netural, private
Voltaire says: that was me
Voltaire says: lol
Kody says: I didn't vote in that poll
Voltaire says: I seem to be getting what I wanted since no one has bothered to inform the other factions of any of our supposed decisions
Kody says: lol
Kody says: well if you read the poll carefully
Voltaire says: I knew it would happen that way
Kody says: it's only about the war
Voltaire says: true
Kody says: which is kindof dumb
Voltaire says: the whole CyCon issue has never really been resolved
Kody says: becauses it should be about the whole cycon issue
Kody says: then once that is cleared up
Voltaire says: And once again I'm getting exactly what I want, no permipact with CyCon, just normalized relatinoship in pact
Kody says: decide on the details
Voltaire says: The Hive has too short an attention span
Voltaire says: They've already moved on
Kody says: to the jamski issue
Voltaire says: I think they've accepted that there will not be a permipact with the CyCon
Kody says: yeah
Kody says: I think honghu has informed the cycon too
Voltaire says: What is interesting in all this
Voltaire says: is that we do not have a formal non-aggression pact with the CyCon like we do with PEACE
Voltaire says: from a stricly legal point of view
Kody says: yep
Voltaire says: we are not obliged to not work against the CyCon
Voltaire says: whereas we are against PEACE
Voltaire says: That
Kody says: okay
Voltaire says: And the fact that the CyCon are the aggressors worries me
Voltaire says: They're the only faction showing the ambition of expansion.
Kody says: some of our team members think of the cycon as powerful forces to be reckoned with
Voltaire says: I know
Kody says: *chuckles*
Voltaire says: They're not, I've taken a look at the inflitration data
Kody says: the cycon have realised their mistake after seeing us
Kody says: they're going back into economic production
Voltaire says: Regardless we need to act not out of any necessity but because it would be in the best interests of the Hive to somehow act
Voltaire says: Even if it is RP
Voltaire says: Come to think of it
Voltaire says: A war would do wonders for Hive morale
Kody says: yep
Kody says: but it will be strange going to war against cycon
Kody says: by the way we're already trading shots with the data angels
Voltaire says: But it's not an outright war
Kody says: so far it's 1 probe ship, 1 laser ship destoried on data angel side
Kody says: 1 forest destoried on hive side
Voltaire says: We've since the beggining planned an invasion of the Uni
Voltaire says: We may want to carry thorugh with that
Voltaire says: No wait
Kody says: we'll have to delay the university invasion, if we protect the peace actively
Voltaire says: The Uni is no longer a team faction
Voltaire says: The Hive would benefit more if they see themselves going up against a team
Voltaire says: It would mean that when we win some of them would join us
Voltaire says: Hmm
Voltaire says: We could always go on the offensive and outright defend PEACE
Voltaire says: take a CyCon base or two
Voltaire says: demand that they end the war
Voltaire says: give them back a few bases
Voltaire says: but keep one for ourselves
Voltaire says: for security purposes
Voltaire says: that would serve quite well as propaganda abroad
Kody says: it'll be diffcult getting to the peace in time
Kody says: because the peace is actually fairly far away
Voltaire says: Hmm, you're right
Voltaire says: that is why i suggest the planetary council idea
Voltaire says: order the CyCon to withdraw and end the war
Kody says: it won't stop the cycon
Voltaire says: if they do not comply
Voltaire says: then we have an excuse to invade them later
Voltaire says: i don't expect it to
Voltaire says: but it will create tensino
Voltaire says: frankly come to think of it
Kody says: okay if you want to
Voltaire says: our friends with almost everyone stance is kind of boring
Voltaire says: we need enemies
Kody says: *chuckle*
Voltaire says: the Uni are no longer sufficient
Kody says: university?
Voltaire says: if we let the CyCon take PEACE
Kody says: heh
Voltaire says: then they become the evil imperialists
Kody says: can I post the last parts of this msn
Voltaire says: by all means
Voltaire says: please do
Kody says: It's quite amusing
Voltaire says: hopefuly it will get the Hive thinking
Voltaire says: which might mean we will finnaly act
Voltaire says: i've worked for compromise and the moderate position because the Hive has always been so divided on issues
Voltaire says: but if we were to formulate a plan of action acceptable to everyone
