February 12, 2004, 03:56
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Originally posted by vmxa1
You have met many people that are delusional. There are no known professional crap players. Spending lots of time playing craps is not the same thing. Filing tax returns listing that as your occupationion and showing a positive cash flow for at least a year would make you a pro.
Go to the gambler book club and check around for any names of pro crap players. What you find are people trying to make a living by trelling you how to beat craps. They are not beating the club, they are conmen.
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the only reason there are professional blackjack players is because you can count cards. counting cards is really the only way to make money on blackjack consistantly- unless you are just lucky. Of course the casinos don't like you doing that. You have to count cards without being noticed.
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February 12, 2004, 05:38
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I have to say I don't see how you can turn the odds in your favour at Craps, or Blackjack. Sure you can minimise the house's advantage if you are skilled, but that is not a long term winning strategy right?
For blackjack there are pros sure, but if there are pros for craps and blackjack I want to know why. 
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February 12, 2004, 06:07
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Originally posted by DrSpike
I have to say I don't see how you can turn the odds in your favour at Craps, or Blackjack. Sure you can minimise the house's advantage if you are skilled, but that is not a long term winning strategy right?
For blackjack there are pros sure, but if there are pros for craps and blackjack I want to know why.
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skilled dice rollers..... 
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February 12, 2004, 13:42
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Originally posted by Rasputin
skilled dice rollers.....
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Products of secret gov't projects to produce folk who can manipulate "things" with their minds. Very hush hush.
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February 13, 2004, 08:04
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How do you know about it then?
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February 13, 2004, 11:31
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Originally posted by DrSpike
How do you know about it then?
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Read about it in a supermarket tabloid. 
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February 13, 2004, 11:39
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Hmm, is there any chance you are interested in purchasing some real estate?
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February 13, 2004, 11:57
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Only in areas with confirmed UFO activity.
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February 13, 2004, 12:14
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Spike, if you're thinking of moving in on my magic beans trade then you can get lost! Go find your own market, this is my pitch.
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February 13, 2004, 19:32
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got some lovely real estate with water views....
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February 14, 2004, 03:41
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In one deck blackjack (under most rules), by counting cards and varying bets depending on the situation, you can play over 100%, or you could say the house advantage is negative.
Now even under optimal condition this is about 102 % or something along those line, so you only win on the long run, and still lose a lot, so you need very good memory, perfect skills, nerves of steels and a deep pocket.
In the 70s I think, it became a bit too popular and the big casinons worked around it, by adding decks, or preventing too much bet variation etc...
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February 14, 2004, 04:00
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if it was so easy to win the casions would go broke, odds obviously in there favour, but they have to have some fun there otherwise no one would play !!!
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February 14, 2004, 04:14
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It is that easy to win- if you can count cards. I read a recent article about it. Although you have to be prepared to lose big. Sometimes these guys lose $10,000 in a few hours. But overall they do win money.
but that's easier said than done. Counting cards isn't as easy as it looks.
And also as has been said above, most casinos do not have single deck blackjack. And some have varied other rules as well to maximize house advantage.
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February 14, 2004, 08:47
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Originally posted by Dissident
It is that easy to win- if you can count cards. I read a recent article about it. Although you have to be prepared to lose big. Sometimes these guys lose $10,000 in a few hours. But overall they do win money.
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wouldnt it be nice to have that much you can lsoe $10 G without flinching an eye
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February 14, 2004, 12:30
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Originally posted by Rasputin
wouldnt it be nice to have that much you can lsoe $10 G without flinching an eye
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Yes, very nice. But then it becomes, will you flinch if you lose a million??
It's just a bigger stage. The rules are the same. At some point, it IS going to hurt. The only variable is where that point is.
Nicer still is being happy in whatever moment you find yourself.
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February 14, 2004, 13:29
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Originally posted by Rasputin
if it was so easy to win the casions would go broke, odds obviously in there favour, but they have to have some fun there otherwise no one would play !!!
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The skills required are not available to most people. In Vegas they ban counters, so you must be careful to not be noticed.
Th clubs put as many bariers as they can. Multile decks, shuffle when the deck goes aginst them. Careful notation of players betting with regard to the count.
All of this combined, negates the easy aspect, but it is doable.
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February 14, 2004, 15:49
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I'd flinch at $10, let alone $10k
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February 14, 2004, 19:43
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just windering if all 150 emporers posted yet ..!!!!
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February 14, 2004, 20:19
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I'd flinch at $10, let alone $10k
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I think you have your flinch setting too low. It must go off all the time.
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February 15, 2004, 06:34
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back on topic ... finally...
its actually 148 emporers not 150, if we dont include the deitys..
so we need two more ....
the clkub closes once we get to 150
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February 15, 2004, 06:42
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oh and welcome to our latest ...
Anun Ik Oba
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February 15, 2004, 07:18
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I already said that the 150 included the Deities. 150 emperors or better is not as punchy a thread title.
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February 15, 2004, 07:29
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yes i know, jsut tohught id update with the fact we need two more....
Hot_Enamel 2992
Alex 2976
reismark 2964
Panzer32 2964
Which of these will join us next ???
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February 15, 2004, 07:31
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Never heard of Hot_enamel but he is obviously favourite. Reismark has been about there since I became emperor.
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February 15, 2004, 08:05
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I haven't heard of him either, but Alex has been active on-topic as of late.
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February 15, 2004, 08:06
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never seen him aound might have t ocheck where he posts ...
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February 15, 2004, 08:22
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Civ3-er. But then, I had guessed that already. I haven't seen him before, so that eliminates SMAC. Being a newer poster, that also eliminates Civ2. The only other very active forum is the Civ3 one.
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February 15, 2004, 08:25
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hmm im a civ3 er too , but ahvent noticed him much ....
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February 15, 2004, 08:31
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His posts are in PBEMs, at least eh few recent ones I looked at were. Donegeal and Ghengis are in a game with him, so they probably know him. (Sorry Don for misspelling your name)
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February 15, 2004, 08:50
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ahh ok , i jsut joine my first pbem game... it is not bad, excpet waiting for the email...
i watch a dvd while waiting, keeps interupting me LOL
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