We Must Take Unilateral Action - Page 2

TCO · January 14, 2004, 20:29

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ned

Possibly. However, Bush campaigned on the philosophy that interventions were not a good idea -- referencing Kosovo, IIRC.

It looks like Dean's and Bush's positions have flipped. [/QUOTE

Cliton campagine on less intervention int the balkans and then doed more.

clitpon

TCO · January 14, 2004, 20:31

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Originally posted by GePap
Dean has been getting immensely negative press for about a month- I don;t see any other cadidate having every single thing they said scrutanized as completely-none of the other dems, certainly not Bush. NO wonder his numbers are down.

As for the comment-

Notice how he state we should strive to be unilateral- strive does not mean all the time, it means we should make it the regular tool- in 1995 he felt that was no longer an option (remembering the war begun in '91, and was a hot topic all of 93 and 94) after years of deliberating action. Compare that with Iraq and Bush's drive for multilateralism (all 4 months of it...).

Of course, that annalysis does not fit into a coy soundbite, so it will fall by the wayside.

I agree tiehy are cheimg on the rontrunner. The rest of uyoir post is dutpid

TCO · January 14, 2004, 20:33

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Originally posted by MrFun
Well duh -- but try telling Chegitz that.

You are getting more centrist. was it that historiography course.

And che is a wannabe marxist. He just likes the posters in the Heartland Cafe/

Kuciwalker · January 14, 2004, 20:53

Dean has serious consistency issues.

GhengisFarb™ · January 14, 2004, 21:28

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Originally posted by skywalker
Dean has serious consistency issues.

Doesn't Metamucil fix that?

DinoDoc · January 15, 2004, 02:04

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Originally posted by GePap
Dean has been getting immensely negative press for about a month

Pity the poor front runner.

/me plays world's smallest violin.

GePap · January 15, 2004, 10:49

A TCO, you humor remains as putrid as ever!

But be a good little boy and keep trying.

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Gephardt gave a speach today in Iowa noting all the inconsistencies between Dean's former positions and his current positions and accused him of at least being insincere.

It was the best speech I have ever heard Gephardt make. He does have some passion down there and is not completely boring.

Saw it too: yup, he had passion al right. Of course, if gephartd does not get number one, he is sunk, cause he is about to run out of money.

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Pity the poor front runner.

When Kerry was the front runner the press was not half as negative- of course, that was before things heated up but still.

/me boos Dino off-stage.

MrFun · January 15, 2004, 10:54

I am enjoying the fact that all media eyes have been on Iowa.

January 19 is just a few days away now.

The Emperor Fabulous · January 15, 2004, 13:01

Well, Kerry has the lead in Iowa now. Any day, Clark could have the lead in NH. If Dean doesn't win either, and then doesn't win at least half of the states on Feb 3rd, he will drop out.

chequita guevara · January 15, 2004, 13:21

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Originally posted by MrFun
Well duh -- but try telling Chegitz that.

What other candidate is facing the scrutiny of Dean? If the media had been this tough on Busgh in '99, where do you think he'd be today? If the media were this tough on the other Dem candidates, how would they look?

Anyway, I'm sure many of you have the exact same views you had nine years ago.

Say Fun, since you are so good at regurgitating RNC talking points, why not end the pretence and form a branch of the Log Cabin Republicans.

Sava · January 15, 2004, 13:24

that's right Repukes... cry and moan.... Dean will be our next prez.

Boris Godunov · January 15, 2004, 13:26

MrFun isn't a Republican, he's just spineless, and since traditionally the GOP is more tenacious at browbeating its opponents, naturally it will have more effect.

DinoDoc · January 15, 2004, 13:26

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What other candidate is facing the scrutiny of Dean?

What other candidate is the front runner in the Democratic primary whose supporters are whining about his record being looked at?

MrFun · January 15, 2004, 13:45

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
MrFun isn't a Republican, he's just spineless, and since traditionally the GOP is more tenacious at browbeating its opponents, naturally it will have more effect.

I'm not spineless -- I'm just amazed at Dean's high record of back pedaling.

MrFun · January 15, 2004, 13:47

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara

What other candidate is facing the scrutiny of Dean? If the media had been this tough on Busgh in '99, where do you think he'd be today? If the media were this tough on the other Dem candidates, how would they look?

Anyway, I'm sure many of you have the exact same views you had nine years ago.

Say Fun, since you are so good at regurgitating RNC talking points, why not end the pretence and form a branch of the Log Cabin Republicans.

Chegitz -- one has to be a Republican in order to join the Log Cabin Republicans.

chequita guevara · January 15, 2004, 13:53

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
What other candidate is the front runner in the Democratic primary whose supporters are whining about his record being looked at?

I think all the candidates should face the same level of scrutiny. If only one is getting tough scrutiny, then in effect, it's a media endoresment of the others.

chequita guevara · January 15, 2004, 13:53

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Originally posted by MrFun
Chegitz -- one has to be a Republican in order to join the Log Cabin Republicans.

Then you should be fine.

Boris Godunov · January 15, 2004, 13:57

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Originally posted by MrFun
I'm not spineless -- I'm just amazed at Dean's high record of back pedaling.

Amazed it's almost as high as your own?

MrFun · January 15, 2004, 13:58

Here on Apolyton, I vouch that everyone of us has back pedaled more than once over the years.

MrFun · January 15, 2004, 14:00

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Then you should be fine.

Being a Democrat is the opposite from being a Republican -- they're not the same.

chequita guevara · January 15, 2004, 14:04

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Originally posted by MrFun
Being a Democrat is the opposite from being a Republican -- they're not the same.

There are two parts of that sentence, one untrue, one true. The two parties are not opposites. In fact, on most funidmental issues they pretty close. It's not for no reason that most other industrialized countries describe the U.S. as having two conservative parties. The American eagle is a strange bird having two right wings.

Boris Godunov · January 15, 2004, 14:13

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Originally posted by MrFun
Here on Apolyton, I vouch that everyone of us has back pedaled more than once over the years.

Now, if I were to go back over all your posts on every subject over the past 3 years or so and quote all the times you backpedalled or contradicted things you've said lately, would that mean: A) you're a rampant backpedaller with honesty problems, or B) I was going to unreasonable ends to dredge up fodder to make broad accusations about your integrity?

The answer is B, and if you weren't swayed by the media winds that blew you in any direction, you'd see that Dean is being subjected to a rather intense degree of scrutiny, moreso than the other candidates, precisely because he is the frontrunner.

GePap · January 15, 2004, 14:25

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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Well, Kerry has the lead in Iowa now. Any day, Clark could have the lead in NH. If Dean doesn't win either, and then doesn't win at least half of the states on Feb 3rd, he will drop out.

And where on earth sis you hear that bit of election gossip?Kerry will be lucky to get 3rd in Iowa. If anyone other than Dean will win, its Gephard.

GePap · January 15, 2004, 14:27

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
What other candidate is the front runner in the Democratic primary whose supporters are whining about his record being looked at?

As Che and Boris have said, it seems to me the press is going over every single statement Dean has ever made- I mean, that "news" that he once said special interest ruled the Iowa caucus? Wow-they do: special inetrests control everything, becuase everyone has their own special interests....

As Boris said: so you are the front runner- OK, but every candidate is in theory the same- why not give all of them the same level of scrutiny? After all, should not all their record be similarly exposed?

Sava · January 15, 2004, 14:56

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Originally posted by MrFun
I'm not spineless -- I'm just amazed at Dean's high record of back pedaling.

I'm amazed that you are buying that bullshit... I thought you had a mind of your own MrFun

why are you reciting the media's propaganda crap about Dean?

oh and the Log cabin repukes are just like the black repukes... uncle toms... I don't know what you call the gay version of uncle tom's, however...

DinoDoc · January 15, 2004, 15:13

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Originally posted by GePap
As Boris said: so you are the front runner- OK, but every candidate is in theory the same

That's just it. We don't exist in a realm of theory and every candidate isn't the same. The media isn't going to wate thier time giving extensive coverage to the Sharpton or the Libertarian campaign precisely because of that fact. If Dean can not stand the glare that is inevitable from being the front runner, then he should never have thrown his hat in the ring because it will only get worse when the GOP comes calling if he wins the nomination of the Dems.

Sava · January 15, 2004, 15:19

As DD illustrates, there is also the propaganda that "Dean can't stand the glare"...

Dean said he was going to start attacking again... but instead of just Bush, he said he was going to lash out at those using him as a pincushion.

The dopey right wing pundits would have you believe Dean was crying about the attacks... it's a shame that people distort the truth. but hey, without that, the right wing in America wouldn't have as much power as they do.

Boris Godunov · January 15, 2004, 15:25

That's the Catch-22 for Dean. If he doesn't respond, he's a Dukakisesque wimp who bends over and takes it. When he does respond, he's painted by some as "whining" about being attacked. Which is it?

Sava · January 15, 2004, 15:30

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
That's the Catch-22 for Dean. If he doesn't respond, he's a Dukakisesque wimp who bends over and takes it. When he does respond, he's painted by some as "whining" about being attacked. Which is it?

I just wish the Democrats were as good with this kind of propaganda as teh Repukes... I'm telling you, the D's need a Karl Rove evil-genius type willing to lie, distort, and confuse the sheeple.

Boris Godunov · January 15, 2004, 15:33

Carville just doesn't get the credibility of Rove because of the funny accent and mannerisms.