Why I Have To Leave The North...

Provost Harrison · January 24, 2004, 07:45

I've tried to make a life for myself up here but it has never worked - I have a good education and went to Oxford University - things which make me a bit of a paraia in an anti-intellectual environment like Hull. It's not like I dislike my home city but wherever I turn I just feel I am up against people who dislike me for who I am - because I talk different, because I am intelligent, because I am competent, because I am skilled. The price of property has deterred me in the past but I just don't feel there is a place for me up here - like a square peg in a round hole.

Any comments?

The Viceroy · January 24, 2004, 07:55

I understand completely. I was down south for 5 years before mistakenly moving to Newcastle, in the belief it was up north, and therefore was a better quality of life.

But truth is, if your not one of them (ie .. from Geordie land), you get treated like crap. Forget promotion, your work is evaluated on how strong your accent is .. etc etc ..

Now ive moved back down south, its not perfect, and I moved from a 4 bed detached to a 3 bed semi .. so I know all about the property prices, but people here are so much more accepting, opportunities are so much greater, and Ive never looked back.

Go for it ..

Starchild · January 24, 2004, 07:55

Move to Ipswich. I need someone who can drive me home at 3 a.m. when the clubs close.

Provost Harrison · January 24, 2004, 07:58

I just get people who dislike me because 'I am not one of them', they consider me to be intellectual, arrogant and stuck up - the brunt of this was demonstrated at Novartis Grimsby - which wasn't aided by the fact I am from Yorkshire and for some obscure reason, Lincolnshire people hate Yorkshire people, and their attitude towards me was hostile from day 1.

The Mad Monk · January 24, 2004, 08:00

Come to America -- we won't judge you by your accent.

The Viceroy · January 24, 2004, 08:03

Its so childish isn't it. I had a few people who would openly bully me, name calling, constant attempts to discredit me regardless of the issue, and each time the rest would stay silent, as if to agree with it.

When I eventually complained, after 6 months of putting up with being the football, I got such a cold response, it was as if it was all my fault for not fitting in, and not dealing with the situation.

I had the last laugh though, they became dependant on me to do some jobs, and then I put in for a transfer back to Heathrow .. ha ha ha ..

Get the hell out of there .. as i say, the south isn't perfect, but its not hostile like that.

Alexander's Horse · January 24, 2004, 09:38

I think you should move.

Monk · January 24, 2004, 10:31

Hi PH, you should move and there's a bunch of other stuff you should do as well.

Theben · January 24, 2004, 10:39

Quote:

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Come to America -- we won't judge you by your accent.

Yeah, right.

reds4ever · January 24, 2004, 10:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I've tried to make a life for myself up here but it has never worked - I have a good education and went to Oxford University - things which make me a bit of a paraia in an anti-intellectual environment like Hull. It's not like I dislike my home city but wherever I turn I just feel I am up against people who dislike me for who I am - because I talk different, because I am intelligent, because I am competent, because I am skilled. The price of property has deterred me in the past but I just don't feel there is a place for me up here - like a square peg in a round hole.

Any comments?

You can't be THAT intelligent or you'd be a Pariah

Anyway, don't go down south it's full of southerners

Sava · January 24, 2004, 10:44

Whoa... that's strange. According to Provost, in the UK, the NORTH sucks... but in America... the SOUTH sucks.

very strange indeed!

CerberusIV · January 24, 2004, 10:48

Hull is weird. Grimsby seems worse. In the few times I have had the misfortune to be in either place it felt really backward and strange.

I am originally from Birkenhead so it's not about being a northern seaport town, there is something else going on.

South Yorkshire is really bad too, especially the natives in Sheffield - hill folks if you get what I mean. Apart from the locals Sheffield is overrun with ex-students who have failed to get out.

It isn't your accent, or where you are from - it's your attitude and frame of mind that really decides how people treat you.

Provost Harrison · January 24, 2004, 10:53

Hull I can handle, Grimsby I can't...not only that, the place is an absolute sh*thole. I've never been overly impressed by Sheffield either. But all I am waiting for is the right opportunity...

Bugs ****ing Bunny · January 24, 2004, 10:58

Well the city that's currently your favoured horrorshow (Bristol) is one that has a long-standing reputation for being highly laid-back about migrants. That's probably the cannabis, of course....

Cardiff is also a very cosmopolitan place, as long as you steer clear of the dodgy bits.

Provost Harrison · January 24, 2004, 11:00

Now I like Cardiff, I thought it was a cool place. Like any other major city in staying clear of the dodgy bits...

Bugs ****ing Bunny · January 24, 2004, 11:05

I lived there for three years and had a good time. Never experienced any bother at all.

Provost Harrison · January 24, 2004, 11:27

From our beloved TCO (via PM)

Quote:

TCO wrote on 24th January 2004 15:04:
and move to London. Live in the burbs or in a shoebox in town. But move to the central city. Better to be happy about environment and pay a little more (when you are single). When you have a wife to bang every night and kids that want space, you can move back to BFE (bum****egypt)

Laz, it is more about spotting the right jobs more than anything...

CerberusIV · January 24, 2004, 13:19

PH - 15 or 20 years ago I rather felt the way you do now. What I have learnt is that a lot depends on becoming able to influence people and so have some control over how they respond to you. It is something everyone has to some extent, part conscious and part instinctive, but can be improved with practice. You don't have to like your work colleagues, it can be easier with people you despise, but you do have to be determined to persuade others to do things your way. When you can get to the point where they don't even recognise either the carrot or the stick, just that they will go with what you are saying then you have got it.

Whaleboy · January 24, 2004, 14:29

Provost: I sympathise entirely. If you're thinking of Northampton, keep going South...

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The anti-intellectualism in this country is shocking!

Lancer · January 24, 2004, 14:53

Just hope they're not too smart for you down south because then you'll have to be in the middle.

Have you thought about going west? What's west? The Welch? Are Welch chicks hot?

There's just so much to consider...

Provost Harrison · January 24, 2004, 15:11

Lots of sheep in Wales...and Spink

West is Manchester, Leeds or Liverpool but there hasn't been anything of any use jobwise going on there.

The Viceroy · January 24, 2004, 15:18

I take issue with the idea that its not your accent which matters, but your frame of mind. Certainly, Accent is never the only thing which can cause problems, and your state of mind can also be a problem .. however, my experience had nothing to do with state of mind, and everything to do with South hating idiots .. I wouldn't mind, but for god sake, im from Chester.

So, yes you can be discriminated against for your accent, and yes your right, frame of mind can also cause you problems.

DaShi · January 24, 2004, 15:45

"Ah fooking 'ate pikeys!"

Lancer · January 24, 2004, 16:08

"Lots of sheep in Wales...and Spink"

Coincidence? You decide.

Bereta_Eder · January 24, 2004, 17:00

the song says it nicely: to those who likes us; to the others, we can't

s'osous areeeeeeeeesoume gia tous allous den tha mporeeeeesoume.

Solly · January 24, 2004, 17:51

Thought it was about time for one of these to come around again! Make a decision. I'm going to say the opposite of TCO here; I don't think the city life would suit you. It would be even more hellish. Move to somewhere like Cromer or Rhyl..

Lancer · January 24, 2004, 19:05

Philippines

If you can figure out a steady income of 200 English lira (or whatever) per month, you can live good.

Drogue · January 24, 2004, 19:17

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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Any comments?

Sounds like you've got it figured. Move away, probably somewhere nearer the south. Living will be more expensive, but wages will be higher.

Or you could move further North, to someone like Edinburgh?

reds4ever · January 24, 2004, 20:18

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Originally posted by Drogue
Or you could move further North, to someone like Edinburgh?

Now there's an idea, no northern monkeys AND no southern bullsh1tters.

Whaleboy · January 24, 2004, 20:29