Design your own political party

[Zero]

My party.

Importance:

1. Apathy

Unfortunatley. I dont get too much votes....

[monkspider]

Anything with lots of hot, sexy tariffs.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
The Hedonistic Utilitarians:

Sex
Drugs
Music
Love
Genius
Beauty
Peace
More drugs

DrUqKs!!!11!!!!1!!!!!!

[Drogue]

Originally posted by St Leo
5) All attempts at super-human technology halted

Could someone translate this to non-Luddite? Is super-human technology anything more advanced than using fingernails to dig up delicious roots?

Basically AI. Anything that means that a machine becomes more than a human. It is designed to prevent machines ruling humans, and for us to remain the dominant species.

[Lonestar]

All hail the Apolyton Evil Capitalist Conservatives Party!

AECCP

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Drogue
Basically AI. Anything that means that a machine becomes more than a human. It is designed to prevent machines ruling humans, and for us to remain the dominant species.

No, he's talking about genetic engineering of humans.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Extradite all criminals, to include commies, dissidents, and Lancers, to a deserted island in the South Pacific.
That's a start.

What's this??

No nuke policies, SlowwHand -- you're not becoming a hippie, are you?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Extradite all criminals, to include commies, dissidents, and Lancers, to a deserted island in the South Pacific.
That's a start.

Nah, just get some helicopters

[Nubclear]

1) Secular
2) Environmentalist
3) Major Tarrifs for evil nations...moderate tarrifs for nicer nations....Free trade with very close allies.
4) Lower defense spending, increase social spending
5) Corperate regulation increased
6) Overhaul welfare system - Those found cheating welfare will be sent to...
7) [Evil] Labout camps!!!
8) Very friendly foreign policy
9) Blind to race, sexuality, gender: Any place of employment found in violation of this will be fined. Heavily.
10) End all religious schools.
11) Lower costs of education.
12) [Evil] Anyone who *can* pay taxes but doesn't will be sent to labour camps.
13) Corperations with their main market being within the US, but based overseas to avoid tax laws, will be taxed double what normal tax laws would require.
14) [Evil] All Americans will be required to take a VERY large specially developed IQ test. Failing this test results in deportation to France (IF Republican: Iraq) and a ban from entering the US.
15) [Evil] Nullify the constitution.
16) Force states to increase education spending to a minumum level.
17) Abolish national elections.
18) Give tax breaks to businesses classified as "small"
19) Severely tax businesses with unethical conduct.
20) Send George W. Bush to Mars.
21) Tactical nuclear strike on Pikku G
22) [Evil] Declare Utah independant, declare war, invade, repeat.
23) Other scary, evil, demonic things....

[Kuciwalker]

Well, one part of my platform would be a "Skywalker Youth"

[Al'Kimiya]

1) Strict obedience of the sabbath day (that saturday, you heretics).
2) All available resources should be used directly or indirectly to develop warp drive (well.. all sci-fi thingies then.. all that cool stuff you dream of).
3) Human life is expendable, use poor people as slaves.
4) Taxes should only pay for security (police, defence, offence, fire deparment).
5) If you are able to work and decides not to, you shouldn't get fed either.
6) Death penalty for drug production/trading/abuse (that includes all alcoholic beverages)
7) Leisure time is for getting able to work, not for the individuals own perversions.
8) Having children without permission equals drug production, see pt 6.
9) Kittens and bunnies should be revered as gods, and treated as such.

[Maniac]

See above for another choice. I don't like the minimum wage, because I don't see a use for it. It puts more people on welfare, and it stops people from working for the amount they wish to. If I want to work for less than the current minimum wage, why shouldn't I?

I just doubt many people would accept lowpaid jobs if the extra cash they'd get is too little.

If a corporation can emply people, then it is paying them more, or giving them a better job, than that person would get were the corporation not there, else that worker would quit.

A job is better than no job, even it's a very bad, unsafe and unhealthy one. People can't just quit and get a better job whenever they feel like it.

Labour is a commodity, just like anything else, IMHO.

I guess that's a basic difference between us. IMO labour is what gives humans the means to survive, and is part of what gives meaning and structure to their lives. You can't just compare that to for example selling a computer game in a store. IMO economy should be for the benefit of the people, and not the other way around, which I get the impression is what you would want.

No, health and safety regulations should be enforced by the government.

That sounds rather inefficient and impossible to me, the government controlling health and safety regulations on every little firm in the country. It sounds much more efficient to have a union where employees can tell their complaints and demands without the risk of being fired if the employers don't like the complaints, and then representatives of that union can negotiate with the employers, without needing to involve some large central bureaucratic organisation in it for every little problem.

Defend themselves against what? IMHO, employers should be able to hire and fire at will, as long as they don't breach contract. If they do, the employee can sue.

That may sound nice in theory, but it doesn't work in reality. Going to court cost time and money. Time and money someone who has just been fired, doesn't have.
And firing at will may sound nice economically speaking, but have you taken into account the social consequences of having a job one day, and being on the street the next day?

Unions have two jobs, higher wages and fewer job cuts. The former simply means higher prices to the consumer, and is working against a free market, since it is like a cartel, trying to force prices higher than they should be; the latter is inefficent. if the same job can be done with fewer people, if there are more people than needed, then job cuts are needed. If job cuts aren't needed, a company wouldn't do them. Unions cause inefficiency, and work against a free market. If you need a union to keep your job, then you shouldn't have that job, as it is inefficient. If you need a union to keep you pay as it is, then you are being paid too much.

Am I right to deduce you consider the theoretical idea of having an "efficient economy" more important than the happiness and wellbeing of many humans?

[Sava]

1. Progressive taxation

2. cut government pork

3. cut corporate welfare

4. increase government efficiency

5. universal health care

6. stop corporate abuses (environment, war profiteering, enron style energy scams)

7. prosecute corporate criminals

8. decrease number of abortions via education (sorry anti-choice people, no expansion of government power for you)

9. end the war on drugs, legalize, regulate, treat addiction

10. examine and reform justice system (moratorium on DP)

[St Leo]

Originally posted by skywalker
Well, one part of my platform would be a "Skywalker Youth"

Ah, you want to spend a lot of time with sweaty young boys.

[Inverse Icarus]

1. Close the borders. Garrison them with snipers.
2. All Illegal Immigrants kicked out of the country. INS beefed up majorly in order to find them all.
3. All forigners here on student/work visas will be monitored closely, and kicked out the second they expire, unless properly renewed ahead of time.
4. Initiate a series of tests to determine a person's usefulness to society, whether that be intelectual or labor, as well as their estimated cost to society.
5. kill off all those who cost more than they are worth.
6. render the tests annually to the entire population, weeding out the useless every year.
7. live in a utopia.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Al'Kimiya
1) Strict obedience of the sabbath day (that saturday, you heretics).
2) All available resources should be used directly or indirectly to develop warp drive (well.. all sci-fi thingies then.. all that cool stuff you dream of).

Jews in spppppaaaaaaaaaccccce. (Sorry, Mel Brooks just walked in).

[Atahualpa]

Leave Status Quo, make some minor changes to please some portions of the population. Make a big fuzz about every little change that is being made and sell it as something real big. Try to talk parts of the population into debates and arguing all the time over themselves so that they are busy accusing.
AND MEANWHILE MAKES LOTS OF €€€€ $$$$

Or wait, I wouldnt differ much with current politicians then

[Starchild]

Originally posted by St Leo
5) All attempts at super-human technology halted

Could someone translate this to non-Luddite? Is super-human technology anything more advanced than using fingernails to dig up delicious roots?

Translation: Since I don't believe in a God, you don't get to be one.

[St Leo]

Pah. No one gets their panties in a bunch when an experiment creates new amino acids where there were none before, but tweaking existing genes to get glow-in-the-dark nipples results in idiots holding hunger vigils outside your lab.

Doesn't make sense to me.

[flash9286]

1. Increase science spending to schools
2. Pay scienctist to devolp robots that do human work
3. Let humans enjoy life with wild parties and no work

[Whoha]

1)Protectionism
2)Flat unified federal tax
3)Bring the troops we have all over the world home.
Maybe give the south Koreans a chance to do a referendum on the continued presence of US troops(must pass by 67% for them to stay, if it passes it gets voted on next year, and the next and so on).
4)defend the borders.
5)abortion/environment/healthcare/social services/etc left up to the states.
6)Immigration weighted by abortion rates vs birth rates.
7)Pay off the debt, end the sale of debt to foreign powers, and an end to all foreign aid(the military component of which having already been taken care of) while we do this.
8)end dual citizenship.
9)Increase Non-bozo portions of Nasa's budget.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by flash9286
1. Increase science spending to schools
2. Pay scienctist to devolp robots that do human work
3. Let humans enjoy life with wild parties and no work

[GePap]

All this appies to the US, of course:

1. End funding of schools with property taxes- school funding should come out of central state budgets.

2. Progressive tax system, keep estate tax.

3. Universal health care coverage- system designed to drive people towards preventive medicine. No coverage for cosmetic surgery unless in order to undo traumatic damage (such as in disfiguring accidents).

4. Drive up age at which people can get Social security Benefits.

5. pro-free trade: end agricultural subsidies, end taxe benefits designed to further large scale corporate farming.

6. Change primary systems for both parties.

7. Change rules in Congress to lessen importance of party affiliation.

Those are not all, but enough for now.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Here is a question, do people really think the US doesn't have a progressive tax system? Because technically, it does.

6. Change primary systems for both parties.

7. Change rules in Congress to lessen importance of party affiliation.

Specifics? If you please, of course. The 7th point sounds intriguing, but how would you do it?

[Odin]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Here is a question, do people really think the US doesn't have a progressive tax system? Because technically, it does.

It may look that way by the income tax, but that is evened out by corporate pork. We need to go back to before the Reaganites spewed thier supply-side BS on us.



The Progressive Social Democratic Party


1. More progressive income tax

2. End sales tax

3. End funding of schools with property taxes- school funding should come out of central state budgets (thanks GePap)

4. Increase gasoline tax to pay for fuel cell resarch

5. Tax breaks to people with "clean" cars (like hybrids)

6. Cut almost all corporate welfare

7. Tax breaks for co-ops

8. Remove all agricultural subsidies

9. Nationalize the healthcare, fuel/oil/natural gas, energy, and insurance industries

10. Remove all religious references in the government.

11. Proportional Represention in the Senate.

12. Election reforms to create a multi-party system

13. End Electoral Collage

14. Replace state presidential caucuses, primaries, conventions, etc., with nationwide presidential primaries

15. Elections publically financed; all parties with over 3% of the vote get election funds, but cannot go over that amount for thier canidates, you cannot opt out. Parties with less then 3% of the vote are exempted from the restrictions, but do not get goverment funds.

[Imran Siddiqui]

We need to go back to before the Reaganites spewed thier supply-side BS on us.

NO

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Here is a question, do people really think the US doesn't have a progressive tax system? Because technically, it does.

Quote:

6. Change primary systems for both parties. 7. Change rules in Congress to lessen importance of party affiliation.

Specifics? If you please, of course. The 7th point sounds intriguing, but how would you do it?

we have the whole mix of "progressive" and "regressive" taxes. SS tax for instance is around 7.5% up to 65k, its a regressive tax despite the flat percentage due to the 65k limit. meanwhile income tax is progressive.I think they mean replace all taxes with progressive taxes.

[Whoha]

why do we need proportional representation in the senate? shouldn't the Senate just be abolished in the event that you feel giving the smaller states an equal say is wrong?

[Imran Siddiqui]

its a regressive tax despite the flat percentage due to the 65k limit.

To me regressive means the poor have a higher percentage tax, a flat percentage doesn't qualify for me.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Whoha
why do we need proportional representation in the senate? shouldn't the Senate just be abolished in the event that you feel giving the smaller states an equal say is wrong?

PR is a more democratic way to overcome any gerrymandering in the house. Much of the concessions to states' rights in the constitution are now archaic and undemocratic. like our current way of amending the constitution. It should simply be a referendum with 66% voting yes to enact the amendment, not the archaic process we have right now. new communications technology has rendered a lot of federalist ideas obsolete and redundant.

Oh, I would chainge the FICA tax and make it progressive. That would cure the Social Security buget woes.