April 9, 2004, 19:58
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The only place I can find a notion of authors natural rights was Diderot who argued along the same grounds as you do. However, others used the same principles to argue for complete freedom of information - in other words it is not a well worked out position.
Modern copyright law does not recognize these arguments, it is all utilitarian (hence the debates over "fair use").
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April 9, 2004, 19:59
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Artists didn't use to make money buy selling a mass-produced product. They made money by commission, or by performing.
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April 9, 2004, 20:03
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Yep. And the vast majority of the world's greatest artworks were produced without the protection of any copyright law.
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April 9, 2004, 20:08
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Ming! I know you are online. Come hither and defend your false views!! 
edit: I guess you are watching Arnold.
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April 9, 2004, 21:43
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Artists didn't use to make money buy selling a mass-produced product. They made money by commission, or by performing.
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We all know that shareware makes its developers money hand over fist. 
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April 9, 2004, 21:46
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We all know that shareware makes its developers money hand over fist.
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For that to be even remotely relevant to the post you quoted shareware would 1) have to be comissioned, in which case it would make money. (Counter-strike, anyone?) or 2) Written from scratch on each computer it's installed on. Which is silly.
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April 9, 2004, 21:47
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Piracy occurs in more areas than music.
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April 9, 2004, 21:48
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you quoted Aeson, not me, he is far more eloquent than I.
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Oops. My hat's off to you both, then. Yours has been among the most intelligent discussion on this thread too.
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April 9, 2004, 21:52
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Do you have a point, or are you just typing out random sentences?
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Only that your point is hardly applicable to artists today.
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April 9, 2004, 21:56
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Only that your point is hardly applicable to artists today.
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Are you forgeting to read the posts that you're trolling again, or did you just conveniently 'miss' my example of commisioned shareware that made it's developers alot money (and fame)?
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April 9, 2004, 22:00
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Are you forgeting to read the posts that you're trolling again, or did you just conveniently 'miss' my example of commisioned shareware that made it's developers alot money (and fame)?
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Counterstrike wasn't commissioned. Valve only caught on to the popularity of the mod that already existed. I fail to see how you can extrapolate this into something that looks like a general trend.
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April 9, 2004, 22:06
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Counterstrike wasn't commissioned. Valve only caught on to the popularity of the mod that already existed. I fail to see how you can extrapolate this into something that looks like a general trend.
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Valve gave Counter-Strike, and other in-development mods (Fire Arms and Day of Defeat, maybe others) support and money to continue developing their mods for free distribution. Sounds like a comision to me.
And I'm not 'extrapolating it into a general trend' I'm doing the exact opposite: I'm offering it as an alternative to the norm.
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April 9, 2004, 22:42
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Valve gave Counter-Strike, and other in-development mods (Fire Arms and Day of Defeat, maybe others) support and money to continue developing their mods for free distribution. Sounds like a comision to me.
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It's not. A commission is when you pay someone to make something in the first place.
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It's not. A commission is when you pay someone to make something in the first place.
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And that's what they did. They said "hey, here's some money. Finish that beta you've got and don't stop - keep working on it and expanding it"
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April 9, 2004, 22:59
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Nope, because the money wasn't to start the project in the first place, it was to continue it.
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April 9, 2004, 23:02
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You're like a living dictionary. If you want to be overly pedantic, go ahead. But it's the same in principal.
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