Russia plans nuclear wargame - Page 7

The Mad Monk · February 7, 2004, 06:47

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Originally posted by The Vagabond

There has never been anything like the California power crisis or the New York blackout in the USSR/Russia.

Probably because you have the good sense to build power plants where they're needed, without paying attention to the whiney neighbors, instead of carting it around impossible distances to keep the envirowhacks and NIMBYers happy.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 06:48

Hey, Ontario is our 'brother' as well, that doesn't stop us from letting them freeze in the dark if they get too stupid.

The Mad Monk · February 7, 2004, 06:48

Azerbaijan has its own generation capacity -- are you certain the others don't?

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 06:53

As a matter of fact, Ontario is like the Russia of the CanadianSSR.

Now I'm getting pissed off. I think I'll go away and plot on how we can break free from the evil empire. It's February too and that's a good time to turn off the gas. Are you listening, you tree taxing Yankees?

Serb · February 7, 2004, 06:56

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Originally posted by notyoueither

As I have said, Serb, the Government of Canada has acknowledged what we did was wrong, and Canadians by and large are disgusted by what happened to Canadian citizens who were of the wrong race.

I do not believe the US government has done a public mia culpa, but i am sure that Americans in general who know about such things feel the same as Canadians.

In other words, here we are, flay us. Our countries and their leaders fvcked up. We were completely, and totally wrong. Our nations could not have been more wrong on this issue.

Now, it is your turn.

So you suggest, I should say:
I'm so sorry that my grandfather, who participated in liberation of Sevastopol shot those gentle nazi soldiers and those gentle, innocent Crimean Tartars wearing nazi uniform. I'm so sorry about this horrible event. It was such a tragedy that our ancestors fought versus those brave Tartars who joined, no less honorable nazis in attempt to destroy evil Soviet Union. I feel so ashamed that Stalin ordered to transoprt them deeper into Russian territory to prevent them joining a nazi again, because it was absolutely obvious that Crimian Tartar realized their fault and would never joined nazi again. And even if they would, it would be right thing, because everyone knows that Soviets are evil freaks and everyone who fought against them are heroes.

Keep dreaming.

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:00

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I have a significant problem believing that, mainly because of the problems inherent in transmitting electricity over long distances (problems that made themselves evident in the California power crises).

It may be a news for you, but we sell sh!tloads of electricity to Europe. Those guys at least pay good bucks for it.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:01

No, Serb, I don't think you have quite got it yet. Keep working on it though. I'm sure at sometime or another you will be able to see the victims of the Russian empire as something other than Nazis, especially the ones who were dead before 1941 and the ones who were murdered after 1945.

The Vagabond · February 7, 2004, 07:05

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Originally posted by notyoueither
Hmmm. I am very positive that the Ukrainians who live around me (yes there are a lot of them who immigrated) don't speak Russian, and do not feel Russian, at all. Perhaps they are predominantly from one region or another though. I'm pretty sure at least one of them posts on these boards, so I'm sure someone will be along.

The Ukranian-Canadian community is a different story. I don't think they are all from one region. It's simply that the community either attracts people of certain characteristics, or makes them like that. But they are certainly not representative of the eastern half of Ukraine.

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My real reason for being up at this hour though, would be to enquire who your nuclear weapons are intended for?

For a potential agressor.

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They didn't deter the Yanks from paying for the boots to be put to the Red Army in Afghanistan, just as Yankee nukes did not deter Russian support for the NVA and VC.

Of course, they can't deter this kind of things. But they can prevent a direct agression against a nuclear power.

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Are you suggesting that the rest of the world should watch out, and not try to forge ties with the Ukraine, the Baltic, and the Islamic republics?

If you can do it without playing them against Russia, why not.

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:08

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Interesting case here (Azerbaijan):
http://www.abacci.com/atlas/economy.asp?countryID=137

It's interesting because it is both importing and exporting electricity, and about the same amount; this implies that interanal transmission isn't very efficient, since some areas need to buy electricity when there is a clear abundance.

They exploit the infrastructure that was created during times of SU, when it was a united country. It was simply more efficient and cheaper to transmit power from nearby power plant even if it was located on territory of neigbor republic, then to create closed within national republic power genertion/consumption system. There weren't internal borders. It was a single country.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:11

You've just admitted that the nukes are only for direct aggression. Here's a news-flash: the only ones allowed to get directly aggressive with North Korea is the PRC. That's because NK has nukes, the PRC has more nukes, and the PRC back NK's play.

Just so you know, Russia could save a bundle and shelve every nuke you've got. American intelligence is not that good. After all, if they though Saddam had nukes, how do you think they will interpret Russia for the next 5,000 years?

The Mad Monk · February 7, 2004, 07:15

Yeah -- just march those missles around the block a few extra times -- we'd never know the difference.

The Vagabond · February 7, 2004, 07:16

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk

Probably because you have the good sense to build power plants where they're needed, without paying attention to the whiney neighbors, instead of carting it around impossible distances to keep the envirowhacks and NIMBYers happy.

Not exactly. Electricity in Russia is transmitted over long distances too. I think the trick is that Russia has a unified electric grid system.

Although you are right in what the whiney neighbors are concerned.

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:20

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Originally posted by The Vagabond

No, Serb. We should concede that the Baltics are the victims.

In times of USSR, they lived better than any other representatives of all remaining republics. They had a best stadard of living among all republics of SU. The people of entire country build for them there a hi-tech plants to produce electronics and alike, while keeping other dirty industries on territories of their own republics.

You know, victims and slaves usually live worse than their masters.

The Vagabond · February 7, 2004, 07:21

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Originally posted by notyoueither
You've just admitted that the nukes are only for direct aggression. Here's a news-flash: the only ones allowed to get directly aggressive with North Korea is the PRC. That's because NK has nukes, the PRC has more nukes, and the PRC back NK's play.

Just so you know, Russia could save a bundle and shelve every nuke you've got. American intelligence is not that good. After all, if they though Saddam had nukes, how do you think they will interpret Russia for the next 5,000 years?

Americans were misled about Saddam's nukes because they wanted to be misled. The situation with Russia is quite different.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:22

Pissed off with whiney neighbours, and a bit of a chip on the shoulder when it comes to the USofA.

Seasons consist of winter for 8 months of the year, and summer for 2 weeks after pot hole fixing season before winter begins again.

Likes hockey, and thinks that national grudges should be settled on ice.

Lots of bears.

You guys are like the lost province of Canada!

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:26

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Originally posted by notyoueither
You've just admitted that the nukes are only for direct aggression. Here's a news-flash: the only ones allowed to get directly aggressive with North Korea is the PRC. That's because NK has nukes, the PRC has more nukes, and the PRC back NK's play.

Just so you know, Russia could save a bundle and shelve every nuke you've got. American intelligence is not that good. After all, if they though Saddam had nukes, how do you think they will interpret Russia for the next 5,000 years?

Had Americans knew that Saddam had nukes, they would never invaded Iraq.

Look at US-NK relationship.

US: You f*ckers belong to f*ckin axis of f*cking evil.
NK: So?
US: We are in f*cking war vs. f*cking axis of f*cking evil.
NK:So?
US: Prepare yourself, we are coming!
NK: You know, we actually have a big surprise for you.
US: So?
NK: Actually it's not so big, but it creates a pretty big explosion.
US: So f*cking what?
NK: It's f*cking bomb!!!
US: Ok, let's trade then.

The Vagabond · February 7, 2004, 07:28

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Originally posted by Serb

In times of USSR, they lived better than any other representatives of all remaining republics. They had a best stadard of living among all republics of SU. The people of entire country build for them there a hi-tech plants to produce electronics and alike, while keeping other dirty industries on territories of their own republics.

You know, victims and slaves usually live worse than their masters.

You are right about that. You could have also mentioned that we returned Vilnius to the Lithuanians. But still... we captured them against their will. And, if it was not for us, they could be like Finland now.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:28

But the NK doesn't have any good hockey players, so fook 'em. Let the yanks deal with it.

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:32

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Originally posted by The Vagabond

You are right about that. You could have also mentioned that we returned Vilnius to the Lithuanians. But still... we captured them against their will. And, if it was not for us, they could be like Finland now.

None of them acted like Finns. They joined USSR without a single shot, but after the referendum they held about this issue. If they were so against to integration to Soviet family in 1940, why they didn't defend themselves like Finns did?

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:35

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Originally posted by notyoueither
But the NK doesn't have any good hockey players, so fook 'em. Let the yanks deal with it.

I told you- they will not.
1) NK has much capable military force than Saddam had.
2) It has much better terrain for partisan warfare.
3) Aside Iraq, it has nothing of value.

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:43

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Azerbaijan has its own generation capacity -- are you certain the others don't?

For example you can type the "Ukranian gas debt to Russia" in Google. You'll gain about 79 000 links.
Perhaps it will help you to see the picture.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:45

Yeah, but 78,500 of those links will deal with cabbage and pay back for crimes of the past. get ready to receive your 'gas'.

The Vagabond · February 7, 2004, 07:45

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Originally posted by Serb

None of them acted like Finns. They joined USSR without a single shot, but after the referendum they held about this issue. If they were so against to integration to Soviet family in 1940, why they didn't defend themselves like Finns did?

But the fact that they didn't offer resistance doesn't mean that they joined willingly. They simply had no choice. They decided that resistance was futile.

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:46

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Originally posted by notyoueither

Pissed off with whiney neighbours, and a bit of a chip on the shoulder when it comes to the USofA.

Seasons consist of winter for 8 months of the year, and summer for 2 weeks after pot hole fixing season before winter begins again.

Likes hockey, and thinks that national grudges should be settled on ice.

Lots of bears.

You guys are like the lost province of Canada!

No, it's you guys like the lost warm province of Russia. I told you already, you're number one in our list of countries to conquer.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:47

Ohhh. Fight!

The Mad Monk · February 7, 2004, 07:47

And you wonder why everyone hates you.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:49

Don't piss us off, unless you want a White House. Oh, OK. You already have one, slightly blackened.

Hmmm. We'll come up with something special just for you. Maybe a hot spot on the Winter palace, or something like that. We'll let you know.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:49

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
And you wonder why everyone hates you.

Us? We're lovable!

Serb · February 7, 2004, 07:53

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Originally posted by notyoueither
Yeah, but 78,500 of those links will deal with cabbage and pay back for crimes of the past. get ready to receive your 'gas'.

Listen pall, when the hell you'll understand that Russian Federation it is not USSR (unfortunately).
They have problems with USSR? Fine, then bring the USSR to the court. Ukraine was part of USSR, furthermore it was one of the three co-founders of USSR. So it's a good idea for them to bring USSR to the court.

Their debt is to RF, not to USSR. They owe us billions of $$$ (for gas that Russia delivered to independent Ukraine) and still whining and insulting us.
Bad for them.

notyoueither · February 7, 2004, 07:55