Decision 2004 and Yales Skull and Bones Society

Capt Dizle · February 8, 2004, 01:04

Members of the S&B include not just our current president and his dad, the former president but also John Kerry who some here see as the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Kerry, who rails against lobbyists and specialist interests was not only born with the silver spoon in his mouth but also married into a fortune. Yet, this ultimate insider is selling himself as the friend of the common man.

I wanted to ask the Kerry supporters here a question on your support for this man.

Is that you final answer?

Adam Smith · February 8, 2004, 01:16

S&B are clearly terrorists.

Call in an air strike.

MichaeltheGreat · February 8, 2004, 01:29

I'd prefer Clark-Edwards by a mile, but I'll take Kerry if that's what it takes to get rid of Bush.

Dis · February 8, 2004, 03:33

Clark? are you insande MTG? The first time I think your opinion is crap

The guy has a screw loose. How can he go from supporting the war to against the war so fast?

MichaeltheGreat · February 8, 2004, 03:38

Because the rationales given for the war turned out to be bullshit, and we're stuck in a FUBAR with no clear way out that we can be confident won't have the Shiite hitting the fan there within a decade.

Piss poor investment of 200 billion plus and 500 bodybags and counting.

VetLegion · February 8, 2004, 05:15

Is that society secret?

Provost Harrison · February 8, 2004, 09:07

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Originally posted by jimmytrick
Members of the S&B include not just our current president and his dad, the former president but also John Kerry who some here see as the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Kerry, who rails against lobbyists and specialist interests was not only born with the silver spoon in his mouth but also married into a fortune. Yet, this ultimate insider is selling himself as the friend of the common man.

I wanted to ask the Kerry supporters here a question on your support for this man.

Is that you final answer?

The US populace needs to break the cycle of power being controlled by the priveleged...again another example of the 'old boy network' exerting it's full influence once more. And alas it isn't a good sign for the public, only for the "elite"...

Lefty Scaevola · February 8, 2004, 10:49

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Originally posted by VetLegion
Is that society secret?

Only its Illuminati Council

asleepathewheel · February 8, 2004, 11:05

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Originally posted by Provost Harrison

The US populace needs to break the cycle of power being controlled by the priveleged...again another example of the 'old boy network' exerting it's full influence once more. And alas it isn't a good sign for the public, only for the "elite"...

What about The Man From Hope

The Emperor Fabulous · February 8, 2004, 12:42

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Originally posted by jimmytrick
Kerry, who rails against lobbyists and specialist interests was not only born with the silver spoon in his mouth but also married into a fortune. Yet, this ultimate insider is selling himself as the friend of the common man.

I'm not a Kerry support (yet), but he is my senator, and has always been (like a good Massachusetts liberal) a man of the people.

Sava · February 8, 2004, 12:58

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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I'd prefer Clark-Edwards by a mile, but I'll take Kerry if that's what it takes to get rid of Bush.

plus, the Kennedy's proved you can be silver-spooned and still care about progressive politics...

Kerry's not my first choice, but he seems to be the strongest candidate against Bush.

Capt Dizle · February 8, 2004, 13:07

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Originally posted by Sava

plus, the Kennedy's proved you can be silver-spooned and still care about progressive politics...

Kerry's not my first choice, but he seems to be the strongest candidate against Bush.

Jack and Bobby Kennedy's civil rights policies (much carried out by LBJ -the Great Society) changed this country in ways we seldom appreciate.

Sava · February 8, 2004, 13:12

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Originally posted by jimmytrick
Jack and Bobby Kennedy's civil rights policies (much carried out by LBJ -the Great Society) changed this country in ways we seldom appreciate.

FDR was also a priviliged, silver-spooned American who cared about helping the "commoner". So while I'm wary of elitists (especially those involved in Secret Societies), I don't think it has any bearing on Kerry's ability to help the country. And in Mr. Bush's case, I don't think his involvement in that club, or whatever you want to call it, is too blame for his failures.

so yeah, it's an interesting story about elitism and the connection (or similarity) between the presidential hopefuls, but I doubt it has any significant bearing on national policy.

good thread jimmytrick

Capt Dizle · February 8, 2004, 13:15

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Originally posted by Sava

plus, the Kennedy's proved you can be silver-spooned and still care about progressive politics...

Kerry's not my first choice, but he seems to be the strongest candidate against Bush.

Jack and Bobby Kennedy's civil rights policies (much carried out by LBJ -the Great Society) changed this country in ways we seldom appreciate.

Sava · February 8, 2004, 13:17

wow I split your DP's

asleepathewheel · February 8, 2004, 13:24

clever Jt, clever.

(though I would disagree

)

edit: disagree with your intended point, not with the actual statement you gave

MrFun · February 8, 2004, 13:26

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Originally posted by jimmytrick
Members of the S&B include not just our current president and his dad, the former president but also John Kerry who some here see as the presumptive Democratic nominee.

Kerry, who rails against lobbyists and specialist interests was not only born with the silver spoon in his mouth but also married into a fortune. Yet, this ultimate insider is selling himself as the friend of the common man.

I wanted to ask the Kerry supporters here a question on your support for this man.

Is that you final answer?

Oh no -- a wealthy politician!! We've never had something like this before!

JimmyCracksCorn · February 8, 2004, 14:37

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Originally posted by jimmytrick

Kerry, who rails against lobbyists and specialist interests was not only born with the silver spoon in his mouth but also married into a fortune. Yet, this ultimate insider is selling himself as the friend of the common man.

Because someone is born into wealth doesn't necessarily make someone a bad person or unable to relate to "common people". Alot of times it does, but not necessarily.

Jon Miller · February 8, 2004, 14:54

they should all be put against the wall

JOn Miller

Capt Dizle · February 8, 2004, 15:00

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Originally posted by Jon Miller
they should all be put against the wall

JOn Miller

And stacked combat sucks.

MrFun · February 8, 2004, 15:38

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Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn

Because someone is born into wealth doesn't necessarily make someone a bad person or unable to relate to "common people". Alot of times it does, but not necessarily.

Exactly -- I'm more concered about the Bush family having such intimate ties with the oil industry than simply because they are wealthy.

Ben Kenobi · February 8, 2004, 15:59

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I'm more concered about the Bush family having such intimate ties with the oil industry than simply because they are wealthy.

So it's okay to be rich, so long as it is not by drilling oil?

JohnT · February 8, 2004, 16:04

Yeah, I couldn't help but roll my eyes at that as well, Ben.

JohnT · February 8, 2004, 16:11

Of course, the implied "this secret society IS CONTROLLING THE WORLD" aspect of this thread is worth a few more

's as well.

Imran Siddiqui · February 8, 2004, 16:51

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The US populace needs to break the cycle of power being controlled by the priveleged

Clinton was a privelged? Reagan, too? I guess Carter as well? Don't forget Nixon!

Come on, PH!

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Exactly -- I'm more concered about the Bush family having such intimate ties with the oil industry than simply because they are wealthy.

And may I add:

Pax · February 8, 2004, 19:18

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Originally posted by JohnT
Of course, the implied "this secret society IS CONTROLLING THE WORLD" aspect of this thread is worth a few more

's as well.

How do you know it's not. How many coincidences before a pattern forms.

I'm willing to bet that it's more likely that a skull and bones member wil be President than any other organization, fraternity, racial or ethnic group in America.

number of white male presidents of U.S./number of white male to have been eligible for President

number of Skull and Bone Presidents of U.S./number of S&B who have been eleigible for President

number of Yale white male graduates who became President and were not Skull and Bones/number of white male graduates eligible for President of the U.S. who were not skull and bones members

JohnT · February 8, 2004, 19:33

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Originally posted by Pax Africanus
I'm willing to bet that it's more likely that a skull and bones member wil be President than any other organization, fraternity, racial or ethnic group in America.

I'm willing to take that bet, place my mortgage and all future income on it, and then double-down.

Assuming that every President who went to Yale was a member of the S&B, it is far more likely that a President will be white than a member of the S&B. It is far more likely that a President will be of Anglo-Saxon descent than be a member of the S&B. It is far more likely that a President will be Christian than be a member of the S&B. It is far more likely that a President will be Episcopalian (or Presbyterian) than be a member of the S&B. Need me to continue?

I would bet that the organization that has produced the most Presidents is the Military than the S&K... Eisenhower, Carter, Grant, T. Roosevelt, Kennedy, etc etc. As a matter of fact, only seven Presidents had NO military experience.

7 from Harvard, 5 from Yale. Yale didn't even have it's first President until 1908 (Taft), and 7 Presidents didn't even graduate from college (last being Truman), and the past century has seen Presidents from such conspiratorial hotseats as:

Whittier College (near Los Angeles), SW Tx State Teachers College, U. of Michigan, Eureka College (in CA), Ohio Central College, and Allegheny College.

Look before you leap, Pax. It keeps you from looking, well, gullible.

VetLegion · February 8, 2004, 19:41

to the stack combat comment, I like seeing civ related comments in threads. Although I dislike stacked combat.

Anyway, about US presidents and elitism and so on, I agree with what Pax said. I don't think that there is a conspiracy out there like something sinister or something. But these things distort the laws of probability so much. For example, it strikes me as *very* weird that US president is a son of an ex US president. Really, in a system that awards merit and ability, what are the odds of that?

JohnT · February 8, 2004, 19:46

Frankly, it is far more likely that a US President either had no college or went to some two-bit school at the ass-end of nowhere than belonged to the S&B. But believe as you will... after all, belief requires no facts. Just ask the Communists.

Hell, a couple of sources (The Five Negro Presidents by JA Rogers and Six Presidents: Black Blood, White Masks by Auset Bakhufu) list a minimum of FIVE Presidents who had African American blood in them... equal to the number of Yale Presidents. Are you going to now argue for a conspiracy of mulattos?

Again:

Imran Siddiqui · February 8, 2004, 19:51

AHH! The mulattos are taking over!!!