Mozilla Firefox v0.8 is out!!! - Page 4

Urban Ranger · February 11, 2004, 02:18

Got them in Word 97...

Imran Siddiqui · February 11, 2004, 02:20

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There's a bugzilla bug for Firefox to implement most of TBE's features natively for improved performance

I like TBE so far. It is really nice. I enjoy the 'load bar' showing you how much has been loaded.

Now I just have to bring up a .pdf to see if Firefox has fixed that.

Jon Miller · February 11, 2004, 02:20

I didn't really like Word 97, but it was better than 2000

Jon Miller

Jon Miller · February 11, 2004, 02:21

I have Word 2002 installed, but that is just for compatability

Jon Miller

Asher · February 11, 2004, 02:22

Most people who use Word don't know how to use it, and would be better off using WordPad.

Jon Miller · February 11, 2004, 02:26

I usually use Latex. (and WinEdt)

Jon Miller

Urban Ranger · February 11, 2004, 02:54

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Now I just have to bring up a .pdf to see if Firefox has fixed that.

I never had any problems with .PDF files even with Firebird 0.7 on Linux. Oddly enough, the implementation of PDF reader is very stable.

Urban Ranger · February 11, 2004, 02:55

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Originally posted by Jon Miller
I usually use Latex. (and WinEdt)

Jon Miller

Isn't Latex a set of macros for Tex?

Jon Miller · February 11, 2004, 03:11

basically Latex and Tex are the same thing, you can do some things easier in Latex though.

WinEdt is a frontend that I like.

Jon Miller

Sikander · February 11, 2004, 05:35

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I always install "Flash Click to View."

What is does is to render all Flash stuff into grey buttons that you can view by clicking on them.

It saves me a lot of annoyance.

God, there's something I've been wanting for years. Flash? No fvck you.

Sikander · February 11, 2004, 05:39

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Originally posted by Asher
Most people who use Word don't know how to use it, and would be better off using WordPad.

Yea, I have always used the quickest dirtiest word processor available. Word suffers from the same problem as Word Perfect did. The vast majority of people aren't law office workers or doctoral candidates and don't need a word processor designed for such people. I'm sure Word is a wonderful program for those who need it, but to me it's slow, big and the sheer number of features make finding out about the few simple ones I need much more time consuming.

Whaleboy · February 11, 2004, 10:44

Firefox is brilliant!

I'm using it now.

Q Classic · February 11, 2004, 11:45

word is great. so is abiword. openoffice writer would be good if it didn't take so ****ing long to load (well, by so ****ing long i mean not instantly)

as far as firefox: the compiling isn't from cvs--it's a gentoo ebuild, which means it downloads the official release source, and then compiles it using settings i've set beforehand. it's, i've found, a much better package management system than apt, rpm, or tgz, because a lot of it is automated, fire-and-forget, with easy install and uninstall.

its only drawback now is that there are few binaries put into the system (there's nothing preventing more from being inserted other than the community's inertia/philosophy), but i don't mind spending the time to compile what i need. if it's too big, i can live without it (openoffice, kde).

firefox itself is fine, but i haven't found a reason to move to it from opera.

Imran Siddiqui · February 11, 2004, 11:49

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I never had any problems with .PDF files even with Firebird 0.7 on Linux.

It always crashed my browser... and does the same for Firefox it seems

. Oh well, guess I'll have to use IE for them.

Asher · February 11, 2004, 15:42

What version of Acrobat Reader do you use? I use Acrobat Professional 6.0 and it doesn't crash it.

Imran Siddiqui · February 11, 2004, 16:02

6.0

Come to think of it, the last version didn't crash on me. Maybe I have to reinstall Acrobat Reader for some reason.

Urban Ranger · February 12, 2004, 05:59

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Originally posted by Sikander
God, there's something I've been wanting for years. Flash? No fvck you.

Same here. Flash is so annoying 95% of the time. Stupid worthless splash pages.

Alex · February 12, 2004, 14:26

Well, I've been using both Opera 7.23 and Firefox 0.8 and both are very good browsers.

Good things about Opera = Small, full of features (and you don't need to install extensions), the Wand feature, better implementation of tabbed browsing and mouse gestures, M2 email client (it's wonderful, even if it needs to improve).

Bad things about Opera = It's slower than Firefox

Good things about Firefox = Fast. Fast. Fast. Did I say it is fast? It feels less bloated than Opera, more flexibility wrt popup blocking, and I like Gecko rendering engine (though this is totally subjective, of course).

Bad things about Firefox = the vanilla package is too slim, you have to install extensions in order to add features (and sometimes these extensions conflict with each other or with the browser code), and it is less polished than Opera (although this is to be expected, after all it is still a beta software). But, boy, how it is fast!

All in all, I think that Opera still wins over Firefox over a small margin... But this is just my opinion, and some things I mentioned above are entirely subjective, so...

Whaleboy · February 12, 2004, 16:56

Hmmm I'd say that Firefox is better by a reasonable margin than Opera, and Opera by a big margin over IE. Bare in mind that 0.8 is just a preview release so the 1.0 release is going to be amazing!

I like the original mozilla idea of having an integrated html editor etc with it, a firefox implimentation would be cool, or maybe they'll just swap the old mozilla browser with firefox

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Asher · February 12, 2004, 16:59

The current idea is to still allow integration between all of the "new" lightweight components (Firefox instead of Mozilla Navigator, Thunderbird instead of Mozilla Mail, Calendar, etc) via extensions. I'm not sure about how the HTML editor works though.

Firefox 0.9 is expected to more tightly integrated with Thunderbird if you install that extension, with mail buttons and whatnot.

Nubclear · February 12, 2004, 17:00

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Same here. Flash is so annoying 95% of the time. Stupid worthless splash pages.

Please wait (146K/2048K......)
Please wait (2041K/2048K.....)

Welcome to......
(skip)

Imran Siddiqui · February 12, 2004, 23:57

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Good things about Firefox = Fast. Fast. Fast. Did I say it is fast?

Indeed!

The speed is the one reason I loved Firebird and Firefox is even FASTER! Incredible!

Asher · February 12, 2004, 23:59

You should see what it's like on a custom build.

By default, it's for i386, so it doesn't use MMX or anything like that.

You can get Firefox builds with special optimizations and use of MMX, SSE, and SSE2 extensions and it's even faster, provided you have a CPU that supports them.

Asher · February 13, 2004, 00:02

Also, for those that don't know, virtually every night a new build of Firefox is put online. I've been using 0.8 for months now really, before it was official. Of course, the interim builds are somewhat buggier, but when you find a bug and report it you can actually watch it get updated. Developers will post patches and it may be fixed a couple days later.

There's a website called The Burning Edge which posts the changes (bugfixes/new features) each day, as well as known bugs: http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/

reismark · February 22, 2004, 00:28

Just downloaded this...

I. Am. In. Love.

I think Opera may be headed to the scrap heap once I get all the extensions I want loaded and figure out a way to transfer all my passwords...

I may never use IE at home again.