California voters: Do you support prop 57 and 58? - Page 2

Spiffor · February 12, 2004, 00:33

How could I neglect this wonderful thread?

Nubclear · February 12, 2004, 00:33

Fez: The Spanish "army" is weakazz!
Russia could easily capture Madrid without even a thought.
If Russia put thought into it, then we would easily occupy all of spain within hours.

mrmitchell · February 12, 2004, 00:33

Alright, I read the summaries on the website, but thanks.

I think the entire prohibition of deficits is a little tough. Is it okay to spend more than income if you have money left over in the state's reserves, should that ever actually happen some day?

Complete elimination of deficits might come back to bite Californians in the ass one day should we ever have a national economic collapse but still need to educate our little youngins, but there should be limits on government growth and deficit as a percentage of GDP (preferably, tied to population growth + x% and 1% or less respsectively. I'm not an expert on state budgets though.)

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:34

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Fez: The Spanish "army" is weakazz!
Russia could easily capture Madrid without even a thought.
If Russia put thought into it, then we would easily occupy all of spain within hours.

Russia can't even capture Chechnya properly.

Back to the topic please.

PLATO · February 12, 2004, 00:36

popcorn anyone?

*PLATO goes to kitchen for another round*

Spiffor · February 12, 2004, 00:37

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Originally posted by Fez
Russia can't even capture Chechnya properly.

Of course, but that's because Chechnya fights well, unlike Spain.

I mean Chechens have only used kalashnikovs and rocket launchers all their lives. The average Spanish soldier, believing his outdated material will do something for him, will never know how to use this old buts useful weapons. The Spaniards will just find the Russians with tanks falling in pieces and ships on the verge of sinking

Nubclear · February 12, 2004, 00:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Fez

Russia can't even capture Chechnya properly.

If the international community would just let us commit atrocities, we could easily turn it into a parking lot for all our stolen cars

OTOH, Spain lost a bunch of little islands to Morroco.....and negotiated it to be a NEUTRAL ZONE!

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:38

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Originally posted by Spiffor

Of course, but that's because Chechnya fights well, unlike Spain.

I mean Chechens have only used kalashnikovs and rocket launchers all their lives. The average Spanish soldier, believing his outdated material will do something for him, will never know how to use this old buts useful weapons. The Spaniards will just find the Russians with tanks falling in pieces and ships on the verge of sinking

Spain doesn't have outdated equipment. I love the G-36 and Leopard 2A4. And we won't fire a bullet, as all the Russian stuff will be on the bottom of the ocean. And our ships won't fire a shot either.

monkspider · February 12, 2004, 00:39

Where is the mighty Spanish Armada Fez?

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:39

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

If the international community would just let us commit atrocities, we could easily turn it into a parking lot for all our stolen cars

OTOH, Spain lost a bunch of little islands to Morroco.....and negotiated it to be a NEUTRAL ZONE!

Actually if you weren't so braindead, you will see we recaptured that one little island back. It had three goats. But the EU was pissed off and made a big deal about it.

Spiffor · February 12, 2004, 00:41

Don't kid yourself, Fez, you know very well that a regiment of the Foreign Legion would overthrow Spain. So imagine what a few more Russian badazzes could to to Spain

Heck, even a group of Monkspider-tankists would wreck havoc there

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:41

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Originally posted by Spiffor
Don't kid yourself, Fez, you know very well that a regiment of the Foreign Legion would overthrow Spain. So imagine what a few more Russian badazzes could to to Spain

Heck, even a group of Monkspider-tankists would wreck havoc there

I could walk into France with a pistol, and they would surrender.

Nubclear · February 12, 2004, 00:43

@ Spiff

Plus, remember we Russians are as tough as nails! Stalingrad, anyone?
Spain....isn't

Their most memorable military victories come from them slaughtering innocent natives in America.
But let's look at the numbers....

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 36 million (2003 est.)
Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 24 million (2003 est.)

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 10,524,715 (2003 est.)
Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 8,391,612 (2003 est.)

Talk about PWND!!11!!1

Spiffor · February 12, 2004, 00:44

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Originally posted by Fez
I could walk into France with a pistol, and they would surrender.

Sorry mon ami, but ze first policier you'll find will put you into ze prison. We are not afraid of kids with guns.

Don't try it in Russia though. They are paranoid right now, and they could well kill you without warning

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:44

Russia got defeated by the Japanese.

And Russia isn't good anywhere outside their land.

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:45

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Originally posted by Spiffor

Sorry mon ami, but ze first policier you'll find will put you into ze prison. We are not afraid of kids with guns.

Don't try it in Russia though. They are paranoid right now, and they could well kill you without warning

Well you French did do something that right and that was that greenpeace ship you blew up.

Nubclear · February 12, 2004, 00:46

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Originally posted by Fez
Russia got defeated by the Japanese.

And Russia isn't good anywhere outside their land.

That was during the Czarist times, and the Czars suck. Communism was really great for Russia.
Not to mention that was the navy. If Japan came on Russia soil, they would be mortally PWND!!11!1
And we aren't great outside of our land? Tell that to Eastern Europe

Tell that to Germany

Tell that to central Asia

Spiffor · February 12, 2004, 00:47

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Originally posted by Fez
Well you French did do something that right and that was that greenpeace ship you blew up.

As you know, we're always glad to further the cause of fascism in our world.

You should talk to our police minister, I'm sure he'll be interested in your innovative ideas!

mrmitchell · February 12, 2004, 00:55

Damnit Fez. You bit the bait, then you tried chomping down on it like you were mad with rabies or something, and right now it's lodged in your throat.

Imran Siddiqui · February 12, 2004, 00:56

Well... blowing up that Greenpeace ship was a good move, IMO

.

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 00:58

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Originally posted by mrmitchell
Damnit Fez. You bit the bait, then you tried chomping down on it like you were mad with rabies or something, and right now it's lodged in your throat.

I'm dirty.

Nubclear · February 12, 2004, 01:00

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Originally posted by Fez

I'm dirty.

That was probably my most obvious, blunt, worst troll EVER

Yet you bit it

I'm so glad your back Fezzie...Poly is going to be so much more fun with our resident fascist

Giancarlo · February 12, 2004, 01:05

There goes a perfectly fine thread. I am out of here to get ready for tomorrow.. I have classes 11AM-3:15PM.

PLATO · February 12, 2004, 01:07

Well crap...I'm outta popcorn anyway.

Welcome home Fez!

Barinthus · February 12, 2004, 01:39

Aw, Plato, I wanted some of that popcorn.

PWND, what's dat?

Anyway it's probably too late but I'll give it a shot... coming back to the thread...

Ok first of all, how did California get in this $80 billion deficit in the first place? It's because of Californians wanting this and that and then when the state say it'll have to raise taxes to pay for this and that, Californians whine and moan about it and heck they even call for a recall.

According to Prop 57, let me quote... 'The California Economic Recovery Bond Act will consolidate the deficit and ALLOW CALIFORNIA TO GET ITS FINANCIAL HOUSE IN ORDER--WITHOUT RAISING TAXES.'

How is that possible? It seems so voo-dooish to me.

Hueij · February 12, 2004, 02:40

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well... blowing up that Greenpeace ship was a good move, IMO

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So terrorism is okay as long as you support it's goals?

I'm sure the widow and two kids of the press photographer that was killed in the blast will agree with you...

Oerdin · February 12, 2004, 03:09

I support both of this propositions in their entirety. The problem with California is it requires a simple majority to make an expenditure but a super majority to raise taxes. Since the butt covering politicians will almost never cut any programs for fear of upsetting voters that means we perpetually spend more then the state makes in taxes even though we are the richest state in America with the largest budget of any state.

Dis · February 12, 2004, 03:38

I support the Terminator. I think he's doing a great job so far. He's a man of action- I like that. Vs. the inaction of Gray Davis.

Dis · February 12, 2004, 03:40

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Originally posted by Oerdin
I support both of this propositions in their entirety. The problem with California is it requires a simple majority to make an expenditure but a super majority to raise taxes. Since the butt covering politicians will almost never cut any programs for fear of upsetting voters that means we perpetually spend more then the state makes in taxes even though we are the richest state in America with the largest budget of any state.

similar problem with my state.

My republican governor (though he acts like a democrat) really increases spending, but we couldn't approve the 2/3 majority needed to raise taxes. The courts forced our state to raise taxes

Also if I'm not mistaken my state has a limitation on not running a deficit. So I don't think that is such a bad idea.

POTUS · February 12, 2004, 04:01

I oppose the bond one. Oh, I am not going to vote, unless you will gimme some money to bribe the election officials to allow me to vote.