Thread Tools
Old February 26, 2004, 22:49   #241
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Quote:
Originally posted by rev
Giancarlo, nobody here is suggesting that being gay and doing drugs are the same. You're absolutely right: they're NOT the same. Being gay isn't a choice; doing drugs is.
Thank you for proving my point.

You can now pass go and collect your $200 dollars.

Quote:
You'd put people to death for causing others no harm.
Has to do with proving a point. People cannot smoke drugs and we have to make examples to scare the weak people who do it away from the habit. People who use illicit drugs are weak.
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 22:51   #242
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo
People who use illicit drugs are weak.
So are handicapped people. Should they die too?
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 22:54   #243
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBaggins


So are handicapped people. Should they die too?
No. They don't use illicit drugs. Remember I am setting an example of illicit drugs here.
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 22:56   #244
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
So its just weakness as it applies to Illicit drugs. Why does the legality of the drug have any bearing?
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 22:58   #245
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
So you are saying what is the use of having any laws?
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:00   #246
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
No... I'm wondering what the physical difference is between a legal and an illegal drug, that makes illegal drugs cause for death.
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:01   #247
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Illegal drugs = illegal.

Harmful.

Illegal drug possession = Hefty Prison sentence/Execution

Clear enough?
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:01   #248
Ned
King
 
Ned's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: of Aptos, CA
Posts: 2,596
Quote:
Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


well good, cuz im not a democrat either. and i dont think you are anywhere close to being libertarian.
I would like to know why you believe I do not believe in liberty.
__________________
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
Ned is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:03   #249
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo
Illegal drugs = illegal.

Harmful.

Illegal drug possession = Hefty Prison sentence/Execution

Clear enough?
Illegal isn't a psychical property. Its a legal property.
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:04   #250
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBaggins


Illegal isn't a psychical property. Its a legal property.
And what is wrong with law? Shall we live in anarchy? Go ahead.. move to Somalia if you want that.
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:05   #251
rev
Chieftain
 
rev's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Boulder, CO USA
Posts: 80
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo

Has to do with proving a point. People cannot smoke drugs and we have to make examples to scare the weak people who do it away from the habit. People who use illicit drugs are weak.
And those who are in agreement with sodomy laws believe that people who engage in sodomy are "weak".

Should it be their choice whom you have sex with?

Scaring heroin addicts by putting fellow addicts to death isn't going to break the addiction: openness, honesty, and compassion will help break such an addiction.
__________________
the good reverend
rev is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:07   #252
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
No. Draconian laws and tough action will cause them to end their addiction.

And as for sodomy laws, how the hell is me taking it you know where weak?
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:07   #253
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo


And what is wrong with law? Shall we live in anarchy? Go ahead.. move to Somalia if you want that.
Nothing wrong with law... it just doesn't tell you anything about the physical property of something. Just the legality of it.
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:07   #254
rev
Chieftain
 
rev's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Boulder, CO USA
Posts: 80
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo


And what is wrong with law? Shall we live in anarchy? Go ahead.. move to Somalia if you want that.
Hey, you want to change it, too. If you want to hang people for smoking marijuana... go ahead... move to Singapore if you want that.

__________________
the good reverend
rev is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:10   #255
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Hey I like Singapore.. they make a lot of electronics and stuff there and they got big buildings. Somalia doesn't have that.
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:10   #256
rev
Chieftain
 
rev's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Boulder, CO USA
Posts: 80
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo
And as for sodomy laws, how the hell is me taking it you know where weak?
I'm just turning the tables around, trying to put things in perspective. In my opinion, it's not weak at ALL (especially compared to those who are in denial and DON'T know where they want to take it ). I think you should be able to do whatever you want.

But there are many who view homosexuality as a disease, or a blight on humanity, just as you view drug use. In my opinion, it shouldn't even be up for debate -- government shouldn't be looking behind closed doors unless there's a victim.
__________________
the good reverend
rev is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:11   #257
rev
Chieftain
 
rev's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Boulder, CO USA
Posts: 80
... and they cane you for spitting on the street.

People in Singapore aren't free.
__________________
the good reverend
rev is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:12   #258
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Quote:
Originally posted by rev


I'm just turning the tables around, trying to put things in perspective. In my opinion, it's not weak at ALL (especially compared to those who are in denial and DON'T know where they want to take it ). I think you should be able to do whatever you want.

But there are many who view homosexuality as a disease, or a blight on humanity, just as you view drug use. In my opinion, it shouldn't even be up for debate -- government shouldn't be looking behind closed doors unless there's a victim.
Okay I will ease my views on marijuana. (In fact I have.. but I like getting a reaction out of you because I like you) I know where exactly I want it... But lets not go there.

I will just back off right now... I'm feeling a bit higher in spirits right now. I'll admit it right now. I am addicted to chocolate. And three chocolate bars have got me on a higher note.
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:13   #259
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
Quote:
Originally posted by Giancarlo
Hey I like Singapore.. they make a lot of electronics and stuff there and they got big buildings. Somalia doesn't have that.
Stop ducking the question.

You were the one stressing the importance of laws. The law doesn't state that illegal drug use should be punishable by death.

What makes your opinion so special that this law be changed to reflect that?
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:15   #260
rev
Chieftain
 
rev's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Boulder, CO USA
Posts: 80
Oh, and just for reference, check this site out:

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/gt/default...ry&country=852

"Under Section 377 "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" with any man, woman or animal, is imprisonable for a life term, or for a term up to ten years. Under Section 377A "acts of gross indecency" between males is punishable with up to 2 years imprisonment. Enforcement of these laws is routinely carried by entrapment using decoy officers."
__________________
the good reverend
rev is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:17   #261
Giancarlo
King
 
Giancarlo's Avatar
 
Local Time: 14:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 1,886
Ummm.. a S'porean friend of mine said they eased laws on homosexuals in recent years.
__________________
Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
Giancarlo is offline  
Old February 26, 2004, 23:21   #262
MrBaggins
CTP2 Source Code Project
King
 
MrBaggins's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 1,528
Yep.. a bit like Texas sodomy laws, I bet... on the books, but not enforced, necessarily... unless they want to find a reason to.
MrBaggins is offline  
Old February 27, 2004, 21:37   #263
CharlesBHoff
Prince
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: el paso texas
Posts: 512
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBaggins
Yep.. a bit like Texas sodomy laws, I bet... on the books, but not enforced, necessarily... unless they want to find a reason to.
Some Historian help get the US hight Court to declare Texas Sodney law unconstitution is they disappove the claim that thought history that law where pass to punich homosexual. The 8th century cannan law have nothing to do with homesexual but with the failture to get than woman pregant every time you have sex with you wife. If outlaw any sexual act that doesnot get your wife pregeant where time you have sex with her and all acts are unnatural. It these act where unnatural there would be no needed for just laws. The Hight court ask the Vacation in Rome about that law than the vacat answer they have than hard time understand what that law meant as it was poorly written.

In America history antosodney laws where more use in divorse case by the woman saying her hushand have unnature sex with her up you know where. Also oral sex between than man and woman can be cover by than anti-sodney law. Not all culture in man history have law homosexual.
__________________
By the year 2100 AD over half of the world population will be follower of Islam.
CharlesBHoff is offline  
Old February 27, 2004, 22:39   #264
CharlesBHoff
Prince
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: el paso texas
Posts: 512
Quote:
Originally posted by rev
My recent-girlfriend (who's still a friend, we're just seperated by a thousand miles) spent most of her life in Saudi Arabia. Bootlegging (illegal alcohol) is common and strongly linked with drug sales (so alcohol there is the 'gateway drug'). Those who are rich enough just drive out to a nearby country to drink and party, much like teens in southern California (and, indeed, much of the US) do with Tijuana, Mexico.
Alcohol is the most damgous drug of all it does more harm to than person mind and body. I saw the effect first hand on my father an that is one reason I never drank alcohol that much. If drinking alcohol was than new discover as than drug it would have being ban as being more damgous than heron.
__________________
By the year 2100 AD over half of the world population will be follower of Islam.
CharlesBHoff is offline  
Old February 28, 2004, 05:19   #265
Ned
King
 
Ned's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: of Aptos, CA
Posts: 2,596
Quote:
Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


Some Historian help get the US hight Court to declare Texas Sodney law unconstitution is they disappove the claim that thought history that law where pass to punich homosexual. The 8th century cannan law have nothing to do with homesexual but with the failture to get than woman pregant every time you have sex with you wife. If outlaw any sexual act that doesnot get your wife pregeant where time you have sex with her and all acts are unnatural. It these act where unnatural there would be no needed for just laws. The Hight court ask the Vacation in Rome about that law than the vacat answer they have than hard time understand what that law meant as it was poorly written.
THAT is very interesting -- especially the part about consulting the Vatican. Is that in the case?

Does anyone have a link. I would be very interested in seeing the Vatican's position on this issue.
__________________
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
Ned is offline  
Old February 28, 2004, 05:21   #266
Ned
King
 
Ned's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: of Aptos, CA
Posts: 2,596
Quote:
Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


Alcohol is the most damgous drug of all it does more harm to than person mind and body. I saw the effect first hand on my father an that is one reason I never drank alcohol that much. If drinking alcohol was than new discover as than drug it would have being ban as being more damgous than heron.
Dittos.

Both my parents became alcoholics in their final years. It was very unpleasant to be around them. Very.
__________________
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
Ned is offline  
Old February 28, 2004, 10:29   #267
CharlesBHoff
Prince
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: el paso texas
Posts: 512
Quote:
Originally posted by Ned


THAT is very interesting -- especially the part about consulting the Vatican. Is that in the case?

Does anyone have a link. I would be very interested in seeing the Vatican's position on this issue.
Some conver are angry that the Hight court consult the vatican on that old Cannon law as many anti-homosexual use it in they legal breif for than long time in trial before the court on anti-sodney law. Our founding father want our court to consult with other courts around the world on legal matter. Once they consult with than Islamist court on Estate matter before then as the Court didnot know Islamist law on this case. Than unmuslim trying to make legal touble for than Muslim familty over than Islamist will our court finalty rule Islamist will legal.
__________________
By the year 2100 AD over half of the world population will be follower of Islam.
CharlesBHoff is offline  
Old February 28, 2004, 21:00   #268
Ned
King
 
Ned's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: of Aptos, CA
Posts: 2,596
Charles, no doubt the Vatican is the authority on Cannonical Law. I am just surprised that they came out with the position that sodomy was not a banned sexual practice in the eyes of the Church.
__________________
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
Ned is offline  
Old February 29, 2004, 20:59   #269
CharlesBHoff
Prince
 
Local Time: 17:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: el paso texas
Posts: 512
Quote:
Originally posted by Ned
Charles, no doubt the Vatican is the authority on Cannonical Law. I am just surprised that they came out with the position that sodomy was not a banned sexual practice in the eyes of the Church.
The orginate text was in latin than they cover so much ground that than hushand kissing his wife on the lip could have being consider sodney and the court ask about the wording of law.
__________________
By the year 2100 AD over half of the world population will be follower of Islam.
CharlesBHoff is offline  
Old February 29, 2004, 22:32   #270
Lawrence of Arabia
PtWDG Gathering StormMac
King
 
Lawrence of Arabia's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:48
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: California Republic
Posts: 1,240
Quote:
I would like to know why you believe I do not believe in liberty.
sure. you support the war in iraq, you're against abortion, you're for social security, against immigration, for the death penalty, against gay marriage, against polygamy, against incest, for the drug war, against legalization of all drugs, for the patriot act, and you support bush, one of the biggest liberty takers of them all.
__________________
"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini
Lawrence of Arabia is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 13:48.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Apolyton Civilization Site | Copyright © The Apolyton Team