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Please leave me alone. I am not the same person I was. I actually think about what I post. I have seen you have not done such a thing.. what a shame really.
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You just made the list. Time to get in my chopper...
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February 12, 2004, 20:57
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Please leave me alone. I am not the same person I was. I actually think about what I post. I have seen you have not done such a thing.. what a shame really.
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You just made the list. Time to get in my chopper...
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SHUT THE F**K UP AND LET ME POST IN PEACE.
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February 12, 2004, 21:08
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Fez: You'd better get used to this kind of jabs, since the "you provide nothing" and the "throw out of helicopter" phrases have made it to the 'Poly folklore.
Don't let it get on your nerves, otherwise many cheapshooters will say it only to piss you off (whereas it normally happens fairly rarely otherwise, only in "situation")
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February 12, 2004, 21:13
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I may start banning the whole lot of you. This crap will stop... or you won't like my way of ending it.
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February 12, 2004, 21:14
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Don't worry; I'm done.
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February 12, 2004, 21:15
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You better be... because the next time, there will be no warning...
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February 12, 2004, 21:25
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Today in Jackonville, a bunch of lesbians went down to register to marry. There's gonna be a lawsuit here too. 
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February 12, 2004, 21:27
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yes. you cant stop the power of the people because the power of the people dont stop. - some dude on apolyton.
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February 12, 2004, 21:27
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Ming is upset probably because his marriage is breaking up due to these selfish gay people, as happened to mine. My brother in broken-hearted solidarity... 
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February 12, 2004, 21:29
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Oh, damn, Bunnygrrl's left me for some women.
I'm sad, cuz she won't send me the pictures.
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February 12, 2004, 21:30
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Something needs to be done!
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February 12, 2004, 21:30
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Ming:
Does that include me?
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He's no conservative so don't even try to manipulate this to fit your own goals. I voted for the guy.
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How I trying to manipulate the situation?
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Civil disobedience? What's wrong with you?
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So if a group of people rebel against the state, the state should roll over and permit them?
This is a direct challenge to his authority, and he needs to make a decision, on how he will respond to this challenge. He has a responsibility not just to the people of San Francisco, but to all Californians.
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This move is a step towards equal rights that have for a long time have been denied to us GLB people.
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A step. A list please, of how the homosexual people are treated as second-class citizens in the US of A.
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February 12, 2004, 21:33
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My brother in broken-hearted solidarity
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Man. By the way you molest the straw, one would think you have a fetish.
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February 12, 2004, 21:33
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Well, this marriage thing will be on the list, as well as the attendant issues regarding it, including:
1. The inability to have your partner on your health insurance @ family rates.
2. The inability to pass your estate tax-free to your partner upon your death.
3. The inability to garner a few income tax advantages that some states offer marrieds.
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February 12, 2004, 21:35
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A step. A list please, of how the homosexual people are treated as second-class citizens in the US of A.
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Hmmmm...
They get dragged behind the back of pick up trucks...
Aren't allowed to marry their partners...
Many religions consider them sinners and don't welcome them in their churches...
They get beat up regularly at schools...
They get fired from jobs just because of their sexual orientation...
Get thrown out of the military if people find out they are gay...
and have to put up with people blaming them for problems in straight marriages 
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February 12, 2004, 21:36
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these anti gay marriage people are like the pro segragationists of the 50s and 60s. i hope you guys enjoy that company.
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February 12, 2004, 21:38
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My thoughts exactly, LoA.
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February 12, 2004, 21:39
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I wonder if we could start getting segregationist rider amendments on these antigay laws. I wonder if anyone would see the irony or would just think we were bigots?
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February 12, 2004, 21:43
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1. The inability to have your partner on your health insurance @ family rates.
2. The inability to pass your estate tax-free to your partner upon your death.
3. The inability to garner a few income tax advantages that some states offer marrieds.
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And how is any individual denied the access to these privileges? Everyone has the same access to these privileges through marriage with someone of the opposite sex. If someone chooses not to make that decision, then why should they recieve the benefits?
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February 12, 2004, 21:45
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because marriage with someone of the opposite sex from the point of view of a gay person is an infringement of their rights.
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February 12, 2004, 21:46
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Why does the decision to marry have to be limited by the clause "... of the opposite sex"?
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February 12, 2004, 21:46
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And how is any individual denied the access to these privileges? Everyone has the same access to these privileges through marriage with someone of the opposite sex. If someone chooses not to make that decision, then why should they recieve the benefits?
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Jesus christ, every time you spout off that "HURR GAYS CAN MARRY PEOPLE THEY JUST HAVE TO MARRY THE OTHER SEX" line it gets more and more annoying.
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February 12, 2004, 21:47
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because this guy in that book which is full of sinners who hasnt appeared in the last 2000 years said so.
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February 12, 2004, 21:47
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Off with his NUTS!
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February 12, 2004, 21:48
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And how is any individual denied the access to these privileges? Everyone has the same access to these privileges through marriage with someone of the opposite sex. If someone chooses not to make that decision, then why should they recieve the benefits?
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Why don't more people choose to live with widow's benefits? They wouldn't have to put up with some louse hogging up half the bed, then.
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February 12, 2004, 21:49
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Thank you ming. Now I can debate.
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So if a group of people rebel against the state, the state should roll over and permit them?
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Yes.
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This is a direct challenge to his authority, and he needs to make a decision, on how he will respond to this challenge. He has a responsibility not just to the people of San Francisco, but to all Californians.
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He has the responsibility of respecting the constitutional rights of us all and by prohibiting gay marriage, it is barring many Americans from seeking equal rights. These Americans pay taxes to the state. Should they be discriminated against? That is just not fair and that is not democracy. I believe Arnold will allow gay marriage and in fact pass a law permitting it.
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A step. A list please, of how the homosexual people are treated as second-class citizens in the US of A.
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How about the harassment? Ever been in my shoes? The homophobic nature of the military and how gay people are treated. I can't hold my boyfriend's hand without the fear of getting beaten to a pulp.
And thank you ming for the rest of the list.
Ben it isn't your right to say who deserves constitutional rights and who does not on the basis of their sexual orientation. You may not like gay people but that does not give you the right to infringe on their rights.
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February 12, 2004, 21:49
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They get dragged behind the back of pick up trucks...
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And are the people responsible punished?
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Aren't allowed to marry their partners...
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So. Neither can I, unless I have their permission, and the state chooses to recognise the marriage.
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Many religions consider them sinners and don't welcome them in their churches...
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One. If religions did not admit sinners into their churches, they would be empty.
Two. I thought you defend freedom of association.
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They get beat up regularly at schools...
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Will gay marriage solve this problem, or should we enforce restrictions on bullying? THe latter would be far more effective.
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They get fired from jobs just because of their sexual orientation...
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And they can sue and receive legal recourse for doing so.
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Get thrown out of the military if people find out they are gay...
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But they are not required to disclose their preferences in order to join. Their preferences will not become an issue, unless they make it an issue.
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and have to put up with people blaming them for problems in straight marriages
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Divorce has been a problem for a long time, irrespective of homosexuality.
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February 12, 2004, 21:49
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and think about this, the book of sinners also promotes incest since after the flood, noah and his relatives must have been procreating with each other in order to spread the seed of humanity.
'Excuse me, little sister'
'Dont call me your sister. I am also your mother'
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February 12, 2004, 21:51
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I am late. I have to go.
Ixy, then refute the line.
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February 12, 2004, 21:55
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There is no right to be married, beyond that which the state chooses to grant.
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Yes, but when you're granting it, you're doing so for ANYONE. That's the right for equality.
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