Is China Preparing for War?

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Smiley
Now why can't we have a "Two Palestines" approach in the Middle East?

Because the Pals won't play.





BTW, has anyone given thought to the fact that Taiwan is one of the leading developers of fusion power? It would seem to follow that they just might have a few suprises in store for the PRC armed forces if it came to invasion.

[Az]

because one of them's called Israel.

[CharlesBHoff]

It only take one hight yeild Themonuclear Fission-Fusion-Fission bomb to explose at than certain hight attitude in the center of the USA to created than EMP strong enought with than enought energy for than long enought length of time to burn out all computer chips, electronic control equipment, powerline melting, power generate being burn out within than 2500 miles radius. Wallstreet will be unable to do bussien as all computer record would have being fry, Banks in america would have being close drown as electron tranfer of fund being impossible and with all computer banking record destory by the EMP. So it will only take one warhead to destory the entire America ecomocy plus the Canada, Mexico ecomony to boot.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
It only take one hight yeild Themonuclear Fission-Fusion-Fission bomb to explose at than certain hight attitude in the center of the USA to created than EMP strong enought with than enought energy for than long enought length of time to burn out all computer chips, electronic control equipment, powerline melting, power generate being burn out within than 2500 miles radius. Wallstreet will be unable to do bussien as all computer record would have being fry, Banks in america would have being close drown as electron tranfer of fund being impossible and with all computer banking record destory by the EMP. So it will only take one warhead to destory the entire America ecomocy plus the Canada, Mexico ecomony to boot.

I'll have to check the science, but that absolutely strikes me as complete bullshit. It might be able to fry satelites, but the emp required to fry even electronics turned off at the time is enough to do series damage to people with its radiation as well. A single nuke isn't that powerful.

[Whoha]

it would only fry the immediate area around it(10-15? mile radius), hence the whole point of the internet.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Mordoch

I'll have to check the science, but that absolutely strikes me as complete bullshit. It might be able to fry satelites, but the emp required to fry even electronics turned off at the time is enough to do series damage to people with its radiation as well. A single nuke isn't that powerful.

When we test our first H-bomb on Bikin Island in the South Pacfic the EMP set off every burgalar alarm in Hawaii Islands. In fact the nations that make hight yeild H-bomb's find away to enfance the EMP to make it stronger. All explosive have than EMP effect but is is very weak, short lives, and short range. Any Sun gemate than EMP effect also. That why in the modern world they donot do hight yield H-bomb test anymore.
Only vaccum tude electronic is immuse to EMP effect.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Verto
We took nothing from anyone, and gave something to everyone.

That something being missiles and bullets! But hey!

J/K

Due to China's growing economy, war is the last thing they will want - unless provoked.

It disturbs me that some Westerners seem to relish such a war.

Must be something in the water...

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by PLATO
BTW, has anyone given thought to the fact that Taiwan is one of the leading developers of fusion power? It would seem to follow that they just might have a few suprises in store for the PRC armed forces if it came to invasion.

There's a bit of dispute about that angle, but Taiwan does appear to have developed a weapon that's going to seriously complicate a Chinese naval invasion.

Taiwan is now introducing the new Hsiung Feng 3, which appears to be a different beast from its predecessors, with Mach 2 speed and much greater range. Once again, details are sketchy, though press releases indicate that it can be vertically launched from shipboard "silo" tube.

http://www.vectorsite.net/twbomb9.html

A anti-shipping missile flying at over mach 2 is going to be very difficult for Chinese naval anti-aircraft defense systems to deal with. Furthermore, the missiles don't need to destroy the Chinese warships, just the transports with their men inside. If Taiwan is capable of sinking a large number of transports, China is going to need an even more massive sealift capability to have a chance at pulling off a sucessful invasion.

[The Mad Viking]

Yes, Bush is so committed to freedom and democracy that he does not support a democratic country declaring itself to be free of the control of a "communist" country.

PRC has no need to invade Taiwan.

Just like USA had no need to invade Canada.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
Just like USA had no need to invade Canada.

You do have oil and a disturbing tendency to ship your musical crap down here.

[Defiant]

Yea, and that damn artic front always traveling across Wisconsin.

[Flubber]

Some things that most people seem to agree on

1. Barring complete suprise ( unlikely given the sea transports required), US naval and airpower should be sufficient to stop a Chinese invasion of Taiwan-- Heck Taiwanese forces might be sufficient unless China missile barrages them to heck and back first

2. Invading China is not on.

3. IN a nuke war the US could "win' but the reality is that China could be nuked practically out of existence so the MADD principle should apply. Damage to the US would be significant.


I agree with the poster that seemed to think the status quo is working ok for all the parties and ANYONE upsetting the status quo could bring negative consequences. I don't see this war happening anytime soon. Looking at the costs and possible benefits the Chinese might be better served to consider taking some natural resources from Russia or pressing their claims to some disputed offshore islands that don't serve as hot buttons for US interests

[Flubber]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You do have oil and a disturbing tendency to ship your musical crap down here.

Also we have infiltrated your media .. . The US public won't know what to think when the Canadians make subtle alterations to various news reports.

Seriously though-- why would the US ever invade Canada?-- you have already purchased the country as far as I can tell.

[Lord Merciless]

If the war goes nuclear, the US can kiss its number 1 superpower status goodbye. Islamists would be celebrating Casablanca to Jakarta for months, and us survivors would be subject to the whims of the Berlin-Paris-Moscow axis.

Is that what you want, you warmongering freaks?

[Defiant]

Kiss our #1 Superpower rating?
Not in your lifetime or mine, even if we declared war on China, North Vietnam and Iran at the same time.
The US will never be short of firepower, that is what separates up from the rest.

[Kidicious]

Originally posted by DaShi
I've noticed an increased presence of the military lately. Especially aircraft. Everyday, I see or hear fighter jets flying over the city. In fact, there's one flying by as I type this. It's quite annoying. I can't hear the TV.

Anyway, this has been going on for over a week. Do you think something is up?

It's called diplomacy. I don't believe they have the capability to invade successfully. Even if they do it would be a horrible mistake for them, especially at this point.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
If the war goes nuclear, the US can kiss its number 1 superpower status goodbye. Islamists would be celebrating Casablanca to Jakarta for months, and us survivors would be subject to the whims of the Berlin-Paris-Moscow axis.

Is that what you want, you warmongering freaks?

See. This is the problem with the rest of the world. We are such a misunderstood nation.

[Patroklos]

There is no way that you could have a China/US only nuclear exchange.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Patroklos
There is no way that you could have a China/US only nuclear exchange.

So you are saying that other countries would want to join that kind of party?

My bet is that the world would batten down the hatches and try to ride it out.

[VJ]

This catch my eye when browsing:

PLATO:
US [nuclear] arsenal is over 100 times the rest of the world combined [Russia not included].

I'd like to see a link.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by VJ
This catch my eye when browsing:


I'd like to see a link.

The United State and Russia have more warheads than need or will ever use than a nuclear exchange it is call overkill. One ICBM denateing it 25 megton warhead with than EMP pulse lasting between 30 and 45 minutes will fry every computer chip, melt very powerline burnout every powerplant whitin 2500 miles radius in the right place and height. With America so depend on computer the America, Mexico,and Canada ecomony will collople. They talk about harden solid state electonic but the harden was never tested under than Powerfull EMP pulse. Vaccun tude are immue to EMP expect in certain case.

[VJ]

The United State and Russia have more warheads than need or will ever use than a nuclear exchange it is call... blah blah

Umm... yeah, thanks for pointing out something I already knew and which had nothing to do with my request.

Btw, Mexico and Canada are both parts of America.

By the year 2100 AD over half of the world population will be follower of Islam.

This prediction has been drawn far too away to the future to sound plausible; a lot of things can and will happen during the following 96 years.



Now, how about that link?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by VJ

Umm... yeah, thanks for pointing out something I already knew and which had nothing to do with my request.

Btw, Mexico and Canada are both parts of America.


This prediction has been drawn far too away to the future to sound plausible; a lot of things can and will happen during the following 96 years.



Now, how about that link?

Well nobody know how many warheads america and russia have and I would distrust any linked scource.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by VJ
This catch my eye when browsing:


I'd like to see a link.

Sorry it took so long VJ...didn't catch your request until now.

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/da...nals.cfm#China

[Nubclear]

Russia needs to secure it's nuclear arsenal.

[/Pointless]

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by curtsibling


That something being missiles and bullets! But hey!

J/K

Due to China's growing economy, war is the last thing they will want - unless provoked.

It disturbs me that some Westerners seem to relish such a war.

Must be something in the water...

It's because there hasn't been a war on American soil for 140 years. Thus Americans in general have a very detached notion of war.

[Nubclear]

Yes! Americans need a war on their soil.
Or at least near it.

Invade Canada!

[Kuciwalker]

That wouldn't work. A war requires TWO armies

[VJ]

Sorry it took so long VJ...didn't catch your request until now.

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/d...enals.cfm#China

Took so long? This is a forum, not a chat, everything within 24 hours is considered fast.

Thanks for the link, I kinda see your point now.

[Kuciwalker]

Back on topic, though - if it came to an all-out (though non-nuclear) war between the US and China, we'd probably have European support, especially given what China would have to do to get the US that pissed at them. If the US and Europe mobilized, China is GONE.