Too much crap-talking going on!

FrostyBoy · February 23, 2004, 21:04

What's it called? Trolling? Spaming? whatever it is, it basically ruins the thread. I don't mean to whinge, but lately all I see in the off-topic is a lot of people talking about nothing in what would have been an interesting thread.

I think you mods and admins need to be a lot more harsh on those who aren't taking the threads more seriously. Like a week ban for example?

mrmitchell · February 23, 2004, 21:37

...Examples please?

GhengisFarb™ · February 23, 2004, 21:40

My definitions:

Spamming - posting and not saying anything at all.
Trolling - posting a comment or opinion whose purpose is to atagonize others into counterposting against it.
Smack - taunting others in an overly competitive nature.
Flame - mean degrading comments.

Ming · February 23, 2004, 21:58

There will always be a certain amount of trolling... spamming and smack... When it get's out of hand, we stop it. If you have a complaint about a specific thread, that's what the complaint button is for. We ban people all the time... but we can't read every post in every thread... give us a hand

Oh.. and just because you complain doesn't mean anything will happen... each case is looked at, but sometimes, we don't agree with the complainer.

Skanky Burns · February 23, 2004, 23:17

I just wish moderation in the OT was less harsh on the more fun threads. Spammy ones, in other words.
I mean, if the posts don't count for anything, what is the big deal in letting them live?
*sigh*

PLATO · February 23, 2004, 23:44

Quote:

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
My definitions:

Spamming - posting and not saying anything at all.
Trolling - posting a comment or opinion whose purpose is to atagonize others into counterposting against it.
Smack - taunting others in an overly competitive nature.
Flame - mean degrading comments.

So, why is spam so bad? I mean...what is really wrong with a fun spam thread if it is in the OT.

The other three I can see, but spam can be fun

Ben Kenobi · February 24, 2004, 00:06

sn00py:

You don't be givin' me no jibber-jabber!

Urban Ranger · February 24, 2004, 05:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I just wish moderation in the OT was less harsh on the more fun threads. Spammy ones, in other words.
I mean, if the posts don't count for anything, what is the big deal in letting them live?
*sigh*

AFAIK, OTF is a place where people can discuss things not related to games. At any rate, some amount of spamming is expected, but not when a thread has no point at all.

Skanky Burns · February 24, 2004, 07:48

Why?

Paddy · February 24, 2004, 08:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I just wish moderation in the OT was less harsh on the more fun threads. Spammy ones, in other words.
I mean, if the posts don't count for anything, what is the big deal in letting them live?
*sigh*

I agree with S. Burns.

This is supposed to be about a game.

I teach my children that games = fun.

Some of the spam here livens the place up a bit. Helps keep the place fun.

We have joints out here called RSL's. These places are clubs for the Returned Service People. I have had the privilge of watching many diggers of the Great War and WWII go through several of these places. These were true warriors, from battle fields that are legend. They believed in fun and happiness, truth and freedom, strength and honour! And that all started with fun. They knew the true horrors of war, and I believe that if they were here right now, they would tell us to lighten up and enjoy the lives we have.

So chill mate, go for a surf, dance with your babe, have a beer. Basically remember that we gather to this site because we play games. Games just like my beautiful neice does with her toys and crayons...

DaShi · February 24, 2004, 08:37

Finally, the law is back.

Ming, could you please take a look in the off topic? There is a certain religious thread that has been screaming for mod action since post 1.

Thanks.

Ming · February 24, 2004, 09:46

Quote:

Originally posted by PLATO
So, why is spam so bad? I mean...what is really wrong with a fun spam thread if it is in the OT.
The other three I can see, but spam can be fun

Yeah... spam can be fun, and it can also get out of hand.
There always is and always will be tons of spam in the OT.
I see a bunch of it every day in the OT... and when it starts getting out of hand, the mods act.

The thing you have to remember is that this is a games forum. The OT was set up as a place for political, religious, sports, lifesytle, music... and many other topics that were disrupting the games discussions in the on topic forums.
It serves that purpose nicely, giving people a chance to talk about other things not game related. It was not meant as a place to spam... or a place to just post meaningless things.
That type of stuff gets in the way of having real discussions.
When it gets out of hand, people whine even louder about how they can't find threads that have been pushed to page two because of all the silly and spammy threads.

Yeah... the posts don't count. The owners of this site feel that only game related posts should count toward your total since it is "gaming site"... they allow the OT to keep those important on topic gaming discussions free from non relevent posts... They have provided the OT as a favor/service to the members.

But just because they have an OT doesn't mean that they condone meaningless and silly posting. It is still meant for "discussions"...

There are many other forums where people can go to post pretty much whatever they want. I know when I feel like getting silly and spammy, their are places that I can go that welcome stuff like that, and it's a part of the sites culture.
Here... it's not. That's the way the owners want it. And since it is a private site... they get to make the rules.

Apolyton is a leading gaming site... and that's it purpose. If you really are looking for a site for other reasons than gaming... there is nothing stopping you from going out and finding such a site.

SpencerH · February 24, 2004, 10:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Ming

Apolyton is a leading gaming site...

Thats the truth, despite that some (nameless) game developers seem averse to criticism and hang out at that other civ site more. The fun part is that the OT is just as good as the game side (although dominated by the hordes of 'lefties').

joncha · February 24, 2004, 11:57

Quote:

Originally posted by SpencerH

Thats the truth, despite that some (nameless) game developers seem averse to criticism and hang out at that other civ site more. The fun part is that the OT is just as good as the game side (although dominated by the hordes of 'lefties').

It's the leftist hordes that make the OT good.

jon.

Barinthus · February 24, 2004, 14:07

It's fun sometimes to be just spammy or whatever. Adhering blindly to rules can be so restrictive sometimes.

We have moderators, let them do their jobs. If they feel somebody has crossed a line, they'll do something about it. If you don't like something, report to them and let them be the judge.

Provost Harrison · February 24, 2004, 15:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Sn00py
What's it called? Trolling? Spaming? whatever it is, it basically ruins the thread. I don't mean to whinge...

Yes you do, don't lie!

Provost Harrison · February 24, 2004, 15:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Sn00py
What's it called? Trolling? Spaming? whatever it is, it basically ruins the thread. I don't mean to whinge...

Yes you do, don't lie!

Harovan · February 24, 2004, 15:16

I think the forum with the biggest spam-to-useful-content ratio is not the OT, but the Community forum. And before anyone complains, yes, this post is spam too. Metaspam, to be exact.

Ben Kenobi · February 24, 2004, 15:29

Ahh.

I see both my thread, and the religion thread magically disappeared.

Well done mods.

PLATO · February 24, 2004, 16:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Ming

Yeah... spam can be fun, and it can also get out of hand.
There always is and always will be tons of spam in the OT.
I see a bunch of it every day in the OT... and when it starts getting out of hand, the mods act.

The thing you have to remember is that this is a games forum. The OT was set up as a place for political, religious, sports, lifesytle, music... and many other topics that were disrupting the games discussions in the on topic forums.
It serves that purpose nicely, giving people a chance to talk about other things not game related. It was not meant as a place to spam... or a place to just post meaningless things.
That type of stuff gets in the way of having real discussions.
When it gets out of hand, people whine even louder about how they can't find threads that have been pushed to page two because of all the silly and spammy threads.

Yeah... the posts don't count. The owners of this site feel that only game related posts should count toward your total since it is "gaming site"... they allow the OT to keep those important on topic gaming discussions free from non relevent posts... They have provided the OT as a favor/service to the members.

But just because they have an OT doesn't mean that they condone meaningless and silly posting. It is still meant for "discussions"...

There are many other forums where people can go to post pretty much whatever they want. I know when I feel like getting silly and spammy, their are places that I can go that welcome stuff like that, and it's a part of the sites culture.
Here... it's not. That's the way the owners want it. And since it is a private site... they get to make the rules.

Apolyton is a leading gaming site... and that's it purpose. If you really are looking for a site for other reasons than gaming... there is nothing stopping you from going out and finding such a site.

Well put. I withdraw my previous (and incorrect) comments.

Keep on Civin' (On or Off Topic

)

Ming · February 24, 2004, 16:51

Quote:

Originally posted by PLATO
Well put. I withdraw my previous (and incorrect) comments.

Keep on Civin' (On or Off Topic

)

Not incorrect at all. Just your opinion... one shared by others as well. Like most things in life, people have different opinions. In this case, it's the opinions of the owners that matter the most. It doesn't make one either right or wrong.
It's their site... so their rules

And Keep on Civin'

alva · February 24, 2004, 16:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Ahh.

I see both my thread, and the religion thread magically disappeared.

Well done mods.

Why are threads deleted btw and not just closed ?

I personally find it very annoying.(especially since sometimes threads do disappear for a while, and yes, I am sober

)

Ming · February 24, 2004, 17:29

Quote:

Originally posted by alva
Why are threads deleted btw and not just closed ?

Depends on the mod... we all have different styles. I'm the one that does most of the deleting. It is my opinion that just closing some threads leaves them there as monuments to the jerk(s) involved in creating or destroying the threads. So instead of giving people the last laugh of having a closed thread stand as a monument to their rules breaking... I just remove all trace of it. Why should they get the satisfaction of seeing the thread still there for all to read. This is done mostly to pure spam/stupid/silly threads... threads that are totally offensive... and mod baiting threads.

SpencerH · February 24, 2004, 18:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Ming

This is done mostly to pure spam/stupid/silly threads... threads that are totally offensive... and mod baiting threads.

You must have missed the thread that described you and Rah as separated (previously conjoined) transgender transvestites then. It was active for quite a while. I seem to remember Kenobi posting a lot in it.

alva · February 24, 2004, 18:37

/me proves Ming's point

link ?

rah · February 24, 2004, 18:54

Calling us names or describing us is not necessarily mod baiting. Most regulars will attest to this. I've been a manager for over 20 years, so I highly doubt I will be called something that I haven't already heard before.

Walking the gray line or just outright breaking the rules with the intent to just attract our attention or force us to act, now that is mod baiting.

Agathon · February 25, 2004, 03:10

* reads Rah's last post.

It's going to get down to mod baiting soon. The OT forum has been like a frigging morgue for the last week or so. WTH is going on? I even saw Slowwhand be nice to Sava.

Ben Kenobi · February 25, 2004, 03:45

Quote:

you and Rah as separated (previously conjoined) transgender transvestites then. It was active for quite a while. I seem to remember Kenobi posting a lot in it.

Someone must have hacked into my account.

Agathon · February 25, 2004, 03:53

Ken Benobi - do something about that avatar.

Harovan · February 25, 2004, 04:14

Says the man with David Dusseldoof in his.