US reinstating the draft in Spring 2005? - Page 4

DRoseDARs · February 27, 2004, 04:28

I intend to either flee the country or commit suicide in spectacular fashion, depending on how hopeless the situation is.

Assuming of course the draft even has a chance to be enacted before I pass eligability.

bipolarbear · February 27, 2004, 04:31

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Fez will be just fine. Esp. since he isn't actually gay.

I know that I really am not one to be saying this, but that is a really stupid post in my opinion. It doesn't really make any sense. And I realize that I am being a hypocrite and all of that, but Hypocrisy is part of the human condition so s*ck it! But ya, I think that by now it is firmly established that he is gay, and I'm pretty sure that he's not posing if that's what you think. I don't know why someone would want to in a society that is so full of bigotry and hatred toward gay culture.

Asher · February 27, 2004, 04:32

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Originally posted by bipolarbear
I know that I really am not one to be saying this, but that is a really stupid post in my opinion. It doesn't really make any sense. And I realize that I am being a hypocrite and all of that, but Hypocrisy is part of the human condition so s*ck it! But ya, I think that by now it is firmly established that he is gay, and I'm pretty sure that he's not posing if that's what you think. I don't know why someone would want to in a society that is so full of bigotry and hatred toward gay culture.

You are a ghey homo.

bipolarbear · February 27, 2004, 04:33

i'm w/ you DARS. If I comit suicide, I want to try to make it into the Darwin Awards!

bipolarbear · February 27, 2004, 04:34

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You are a ghey homo.

If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

notyoueither · February 27, 2004, 04:35

I think that Star Ship Troopers has it right. Only those who serve should have the vote or any other control over policy. After all, isn't one of the primary criticisms of the 'chicken hawks' that they didn't grab their M16s and go shoot Ho?

Now, it's your turn. Do you think you should be qualified to determine policy in 20 years if you do not serve now if your country asks you to? Screw that, do you think you should have a voice if you don't volunteer without being asked, and just ride on everyone else's backs?

Asher · February 27, 2004, 04:36

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Originally posted by bipolarbear
If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

How am I being closed minded?

bipolarbear · February 27, 2004, 04:37

What about politicians whose children always magically happen to find thier way out of serving? Or those politicians themselves( case in point Bush)?

bipolarbear · February 27, 2004, 04:40

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How am I being closed minded?

I wasn't really sure if were serious. That is the primary disadvantage of the tyed format, is that sarcasm isn't easily understood. I figured you were just joking, but I really like that quote, but not enough to put it with my others, and I had been waiting and waiting for a good moment to use it.

Asher · February 27, 2004, 04:43

I am a homofag, for future reference.

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 04:45

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Originally posted by bipolarbear

I know that I really am not one to be saying this, but that is a really stupid post in my opinion. It doesn't really make any sense. And I realize that I am being a hypocrite and all of that, but Hypocrisy is part of the human condition so s*ck it! But ya, I think that by now it is firmly established that he is gay, and I'm pretty sure that he's not posing if that's what you think. I don't know why someone would want to in a society that is so full of bigotry and hatred toward gay culture.

Thanks for standing up for me man... I'm pretty sick of Diss's cheap shots at me. I mean. What the heck? I am as gay as it comes. That's just who I am. I am not pretending anything you are correct. Why would I? I mean if it comes with all this hatred... but I am gay and admitting that is being honest to myself.

DRoseDARs · February 27, 2004, 04:53

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Originally posted by bipolarbear
i'm w/ you DARS. If I comit suicide, I want to try to make it into the Darwin Awards!

You misunderstand. This is difficult for me to openly state, but I wouldn't be doing it to simply get out of serving, I'd be doing it to prevent "other things" that I don't wish to discuss in detail.

Me commiting suicide in this case wouldn't be an act of cowardice or selfishness, it'd be a preventative act of mercy. One less potential monster in the world for all of you to worry about. I'd do it out of fear of what I would become should be coerced into killing someone. I had typed more, but deleted it instead. I don't want to worry anyone. Suffice it to say: one way or another, it'll be ok...I'll be ok.

Ung, I wish I hadn't bothered posting in this thread. Too late now, I guess.

Dis · February 27, 2004, 04:58

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Originally posted by bipolarbear

I know that I really am not one to be saying this, but that is a really stupid post in my opinion. It doesn't really make any sense. And I realize that I am being a hypocrite and all of that, but Hypocrisy is part of the human condition so s*ck it! But ya, I think that by now it is firmly established that he is gay, and I'm pretty sure that he's not posing if that's what you think. I don't know why someone would want to in a society that is so full of bigotry and hatred toward gay culture.

Feb 2004

you are a newbie. You don't know his history.

and in case it isn't obvious. Apolyton is not the real world. There is no bigotry against gays here. They are our most revered members (is that a pun?)

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 05:01

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Originally posted by Dissident

Feb 2004

you are a newbie. You don't know his history.

and in case it isn't obvious. Apolyton is not the real world. There is no bigotry against gays here. They are our most revered members (is that a pun?)

BK anybody?

Remember that thread were I was ashamed about sleeping with a bloke? Well that actually did happen. I was in a relationship with a guy for two years and am only interested in guys. I am emotionally and physically attracted to guys. I am not interested in girls. I am not ashamed of admitting any of this anymore. This is the way I am. I tried to "change" but that just isn't possible when it comes to this.

DRoseDARs · February 27, 2004, 05:04

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Originally posted by notyoueither
I think that Star Ship Troopers has it right. Only those who serve should have the vote or any other control over policy. After all, isn't one of the primary criticisms of the 'chicken hawks' that they didn't grab their M16s and go shoot Ho?

Now, it's your turn. Do you think you should be qualified to determine policy in 20 years if you do not serve now if your country asks you to? Screw that, do you think you should have a voice if you don't volunteer without being asked, and just ride on everyone else's backs?

The only people who should be wielding M-16s (or any military weapon) are volunteers that have been throughly screened. A trigger-happy freak with a hardon for killing a faceless enemy is a dangerous thing. Just as dangerous is someone who, in the heat of battle, freezes up in terror or self-doubt.

Nay, volunteers not draftees should be utilized in this fashion. For non-combat related services, I would agree that all should serve in order to gain access to higher-level civic rights (and the further duties that would go with them), but those positions should be garanteed, none of this "well, we need more ground troops, so we're reassigning you to the "Cannon-fodder" brigades" crap.

Dis · February 27, 2004, 05:05

properly screened?

how in the world do you do that?

The fact is, most people in the army and marines are triggger happy freaks.

And starship troopers was a stupid system. Fascist pigs they were.

Dis · February 27, 2004, 05:07

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Originally posted by Giancarlo

BK anybody?

Remember that thread were I was ashamed about sleeping with a bloke? Well that actually did happen. I was in a relationship with a guy for two years and am only interested in guys. I am emotionally and physically attracted to guys. I am not interested in girls. I am not ashamed of admitting any of this anymore. This is the way I am. I tried to "change" but that just isn't possible when it comes to this.

Don't take it personally. And don't ever try to "change".

I have my reasons. Much of it is based on your posts when you first came here. And how you post now.

DRoseDARs · February 27, 2004, 05:11

Some people freak at the sight of blood, even fake blood. That's a start. Animal cruelty charges, criminal records, interviews perhaps with friends and relatives about the person's character. I don't know the exact way to go about it, but screening is the only way to maximize the number of level-heads controlling the US's military hardware and minimize the number of security risks of these types. Surely they already do something like this, but perhaps not as throughly (ther-oh-ly sp?) as they could?

Dis · February 27, 2004, 05:13

so you show new recruits a vial of blood?

trust me, there is no screening to get into the military. Aside from a criminal check.

I know I had additional screening for my security clearance. I only had a confidential security clearance. I don't even think they did interviews. My family never mentioned anything of it.

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 05:16

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Originally posted by Dissident

Don't take it personally. And don't ever try to "change".

I have my reasons. Much of it is based on your posts when you first came here. And how you post now.

How is anything I say now not secure of my sexual orientation? I am very much secure and sure about it. Why wouldn't I be? I settled things since I got here. I have had two boyfriends and am currently dating.

Your reasons. I'd like to hear why you think this way based on my posting now. How the hell is any of my posting showing I am somehow insecure of my sexuality?

I am sorry but I am not accepting your answer.

Dis · February 27, 2004, 05:17

you're going to have to accept it. It's the only answer I'm giving

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 05:18

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Originally posted by Dissident
you're going to have to accept it. It's the only answer I'm giving

Okay explain to me this.. why do you think this way even though I have admitted my homosexuality and am not one bit ashamed of it?

notyoueither · February 27, 2004, 05:24

Because he's trolling you and trying to get you to Fez the thread?

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 05:26

Forget it. I am going to bed. And yes not alone either.

Dis · February 27, 2004, 05:27

rosie palm and her five sisters?

don't mind me Fez. I'm just a skeptic. And I'm not trolliing. Well... maybe I am partially.

I just have trouble believing your story after the outrageous way you entered Apolyton. It's just too easy. I could be wrong of course. It has been known to occur once every decade or so.

DRoseDARs · February 27, 2004, 05:34

Perhaps adapting the tests for security clearance would be a good starting not-from-scratch point. As far as interviews, suppose for instance you had been known by your family to use (more than) a few derogatory terms for other races, not necessarily blacks as you have black friends, but "other people." Asians, Arabs, African blacks (why you differenciate we may never understand...I've heard people try to distinquish between the "two" groups...it's just wierd), and "mexicans." You don't have a criminal record beyond a few traffic citations (take your foot off the gas

), so no known violence against other races. This would, in my mind, be a perfect red flag to interviewers. You may be accepted into training for military positions, but combat might be off-limits or at least until after you've had some training regarding bigotry. Eliminating (or at least mitigating) the bias might help ensure you don't allow your own biases to get in the way of doing your job only to the letter.

Remeber in Vietnam, groups of our soldiers delighted in killing as many *insert derogatory term* as they could, regardless if they were soldiers or simply in the way. I don't want to make this a Vietnam thread 'cause I understand what it was like (my stepdad was a ground soldier, though he doesn't talk much about it). My point is these select soldiers went against every sense of Human decency and mercy, legal issues aside. Why, because they were eager to do it (kill with total indiscretion and disregard) and the combat situation on the ground allowed that eagerness to grow. Minimizing that is what I want to see, alongside keeping people who would likely crack under such conditions out of combat situations.

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 05:38

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Originally posted by Dissident
rosie palm and her five sisters?

I am sorry but are you mentally handicapped? The person in my bed right now is very much a bloke.

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I just have trouble believing your story after the outrageous way you entered Apolyton. It's just too easy. I could be wrong of course. It has been known to occur once every decade or so.

Then you have a big problem. You are wrong. Dead wrong.

notyoueither · February 27, 2004, 05:40

You are in bed with someone you are interested in, but you are posting here?

Sorry, there must be some defect that Diss caught and I missed.

Giancarlo · February 27, 2004, 05:43

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Originally posted by notyoueither
You are in bed with someone you are interested in, but you are posting here?

Sorry, there must be some defect that Diss caught and I missed.

Sending my parents an email about loan information. I forgot to do this earlier.

I am leaving in about a few minutes... to snuggle.

Ahh poor apolytoners, you only have this forum... sad.

notyoueither · February 27, 2004, 05:45

*fap fap fap*