Bush's First TV Ads! (Sneak Preview) - Page 2

Ned · March 3, 2004, 19:31

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Originally posted by VJ
Just curious, not trying to threadjack or anything. Pro-Bush folks are pretty much mythical creatures in this country.

Why?

Ned · March 3, 2004, 19:32

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Originally posted by Sava
people are a lot more informed in Europe...

I am sure Sava that being better informed is not the reason.

Ned · March 3, 2004, 19:34

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Originally posted by MrFun
I can't wait to see the ads where Bush will emphasize that Americans are tired of drinking clean water, breathing clean air, and convince Americans that the Republican party is naturally the exclusive party solely responsible for securing our nation against further terrorist attacks.

What does Kerry stand for? He defines himself, it seems, as a person who opposes everything Bush does or did.

But what does he stand for?

BustaMike · March 3, 2004, 19:36

RATS

FlameFlash · March 3, 2004, 23:46

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Originally posted by Ned

What does Kerry stand for? He defines himself, it seems, as a person who opposes everything Bush does or did.

But what does he stand for?

That's what I'm waiting to see answered...

Nubclear · March 3, 2004, 23:49

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Originally posted by VJ

A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE FOR STRONG EUROPE! GO BUSH!

Actually, my stance is

A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE FOR CHINA! GO BUSH!

Ogie Oglethorpe · March 3, 2004, 23:53

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Originally posted by Ned

What does Kerry stand for? He defines himself, it seems, as a person who opposes everything Bush does or did.

But what does he stand for?

It would behoove Kerry to say what he stands for first as you can rest assured the Bush team will tell America their version of what he stands for.

Or he can continue to be the chickenshi-ite politician and continue to never spell out his agenda.

Imran Siddiqui · March 3, 2004, 23:58

Check his website. Kerry lays out a bunch of things he stands for.

Ogie Oglethorpe · March 4, 2004, 00:03

What no link. Now I have to google.

Bastard.

DanS · March 4, 2004, 00:04

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Some of the MoveOn ads were pretty good.

I haven't seen those, so I can't judge them.

Btw, isn't MoveOn just a way to flout the campaign finance laws that were so fashionable among the left a couple of years ago?

Kuciwalker · March 4, 2004, 00:18

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Originally posted by VJ
Just curious, not trying to threadjack or anything. Pro-Bush folks are pretty much mythical creatures in this country.

Swissy · March 4, 2004, 00:49

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Originally posted by DanS

I haven't seen those, so I can't judge them.

Btw, isn't MoveOn just a way to flout the campaign finance laws that were so fashionable among the left a couple of years ago?

Yes, MoveOn is George Sorros' means of dumping millions into the presidential campaign. I think Sorros has spent more money on Anti-Bush campaigning than all the Dems spent in the primaries.

The Mad Monk · March 4, 2004, 03:38

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar

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Originally posted by VJ

A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE FOR STRONG EUROPE! GO BUSH!

Actually, my stance is

A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE FOR CHINA! GO BUSH!

Therefore,

A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE FOR THE WORLD! YAY BUSH!

Ned · March 4, 2004, 05:57

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Check his website. Kerry lays out a bunch of things he stands for.

From his website

" Kerry has proposed creating jobs through a new manufacturing jobs credit, by investing in new energy industries, restoring technology, and stopping layoffs in education."

" roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans"

"crack down on corporations that are hiding their money in Bermuda"

" end special tax giveaways to companies that ship jobs abroad"

Kerry will require companies to inform affected workers, the Department of Labor, state agencies responsible for helping laid off employees, and local government officials; and
Kerry will require companies to provide employees at least 3 months advance notice.

Use Government Contracts for U.S. Workers.
Stop Giving Government Contracts to Corporations Breaking the Rules.
Consumers “Right to Know” on Call Center Workers.
End Every Single Tax Credit That Gives Corporations Breaks for Moving Jobs Offshore.
Enforce Trade Laws to Protect American Workers. George Bush supported cuts to trade enforcement, even though we need more enforcement to stop the drain on manufacturing jobs. John Kerry will crack on countries that violate trade agreements and will take action when American industries are hurt.
Make Sure Americans Can Compete in 21st Century Economy. In the 21st Century economy, many jobs will require a college degree or beyond. That is why John Kerry has a plan to make college as universal as high school with a tax credit on the first $4,000 of tuition for each year of college.
To restore fiscal discipline and strengthen our economy, Kerry will repeal Bush’s special tax breaks for Americans who make more than $200,000. He will cut excesses in government and reign in out of control spending. And he will implement the McCain-Kerry commission on corporate welfare to undermine the special interest groups that make it hard to cut tax loopholes and pork barrel spending projects
John Kerry supports a proposal that will allow undocumented immigrants to legalize their status if they have been in the United States for a certain amount of time, have been working, and can pass a background check.
...work to expand the number of women-owned businesses and eliminate the glass ceiling that has kept talented women out of the top positions in government and corporate America.

no university that receives federal aid will be allowed to ban the ROTC from their campus, except for religious reasons. And the ROTC scholarship program will be adequately funded so that students can attend the college of their choice.

...every high school student in America performs community service as a requirement for graduation.

National Security
Fixing the coordination and information flow problems in the intelligence and law enforcement communities. For example, we do not need multiple watch lists, but we do need to ensure that relevant agencies have access to critical intelligence in a timely fashion.
Reforming domestic intelligence capabilities by immediately making the Director of the CIA the Director of National Intelligence, with real control of national intelligence personnel and budgets. John Kerry will also complete the National Intelligence Review immediately.
Increase the number of linguists in critical languages in our intelligence agencies, and work with key foreign intelligence services to improve human intelligence collection abroad.

Kerry will go to the UN with a proposal to transfer responsibility to the UN for governance and the transfer of sovereignty to Iraq.

Kerry will reach out to the European nations to build a coalition in support of operations in Iraq.

John Kerry will work to expand participation and share responsibility with other countries in the military operations in Iraq. Kerry will also increase the size of the U.S. Army in order to meet the needs of a new century and the new global war on terror

Kerry is calling to add 40,000 troops to the active-duty Army.

John Kerry will immediately lay out a concrete plan for the transfer of power to the Iraqi people. This plan will provide a reasonable timetable for a rapid turnover of power to Iraqi authorities.

And most of all, Kerry would have protected Saddam Hussein,

Kerry completed his answer by leaning in close to Alterman, eyes blazing, and said, "Eric, if you truly believe that if I had been President, we would be at war in Iraq right now, then you shouldn't vote for me."

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/c...003_1210b.html

http://www.johnkerry.com/

The Mad Monk · March 4, 2004, 06:23

I keep hearing about this "tax credit for moving jobs offshore"...which one is it?

Buck Birdseed · March 4, 2004, 07:17

I've only ever seen one political TV ad that was good purely in terms of artistic merit, and that was Ken Loach's low-key Party Political for the Socialist Alliance before the 2001 UK general elections. Basically it was just abunch of interviews with people, effectively cut with pictures of them going about work and their daily life, no slogans, no voice-overs, no PR people.

duke o' york · March 4, 2004, 07:25

They've got a Spanish version of the ad? Was it dubbed, or does Bush really speak enough Spanish to appeal to the sizeable minority of voters?

That's beside the point though! I demand a French version!

DinoDoc · March 4, 2004, 07:27

Would you settle for a Cajun version?

Ned · March 4, 2004, 12:46

This tax credit for US manufacturing jobs, to be effective, would be massive.

(It may also violate the WTO treaty.)

Imran Siddiqui · March 4, 2004, 13:51

Ned, that post of Kerry's positions... did you not like them? Did you like them?

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the old "don't change captains at this point" campaign

Well, that is the best campaign for most incumbants

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The Mad Monk · March 4, 2004, 14:12

Alright, who here thinks Bush's "9-11" ("a day of tradgedy") commercial is offensive?

I want a show of hands.

GePap · March 4, 2004, 14:18

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well, that is the best campaign for most incumbants

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Nah..only in "times of crisis" since you can claim a change of leadership is inherently risky...

I find the whole "this message was approved by me" line cheesy and obstrusive-ruins the flow.

They are nice, innocous and bland.

Imran Siddiqui · March 4, 2004, 14:20

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Nah..only in "times of crisis" since you can claim a change of leadership is inherently risky...

Which has been the case for most of our lifetimes

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I find the whole "this message was approved by me" line cheesy and obstrusive-ruins the flow.

Maybe a new requirement? I've seen this from every political commerical so far.

The Mad Monk · March 4, 2004, 14:21

I think he has to do that. We'll find out when Kerry launches his first sortie.

Guynemer · March 4, 2004, 14:23

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Alright, who here thinks Bush's "9-11" ("a day of tradgedy") commercial is offensive?

I want a show of hands.

Offensive? That might be too strong a word. Offensive would be "John Kerry is going to give more money and power to the darkies."

(You can laugh, but this is essentially the line of debate that the Republican candidate for governor used here in Michigan in '02; it allowed him to close a 15-point gap to a 2-point loss on Election Day. Don't anyone ever tell me racism doesn't exist in this country.)

But as for Bush's 9/11 ad: cynical? Crass? Maybe. But not offensive.

Guynemer · March 4, 2004, 14:24

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Maybe a new requirement? I've seen this from every political commerical so far.

Yes, part of the McCain-Feingold bill.

GePap · March 4, 2004, 14:26

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Maybe a new requirement? I've seen this from every political commerical so far.

Well, it should come at the end then, not as the beginning of some of these.

Imran Siddiqui · March 4, 2004, 14:29

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I think he has to do that. We'll find out when Kerry launches his first sortie.

Kerry's ads in GA had that at the end of his commericals.

rev · March 4, 2004, 15:31

Bush's 9/11 ads aren't offensive, but they aren't appropriate, either. It's alright to discuss 9/11 and its consequences, but to showing images of the actual event and its aftermath is designed to capitalize on the anger that many Americans feel for what happened on that horrible day.

Even worse is the GOP's idea to have Bush give his acceptance speech at Ground Zero on live television. THAT crosses from 'inappropriate' to 'dispicable'.

Boris Godunov · March 4, 2004, 16:56

Well, the 9/11 ads managed to piss off a lot of people:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._reaction_dc_5

I think it's rather cynical of the Bush campaign, yes.