Bush's First TV Ads! (Sneak Preview)

[Q Classic]

honestly, the ad itself doesn't bother me at all, the one with 9/11.

but after reading something quoted in salon:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...ads/index.html

(yes, i know its biased, and some of it might be the way it was written into the article, but...)

But Bush's spokeswoman and longtime advisor Karen Hughes told Rice and other family members on Thursday that they are plain wrong to be incensed that Bush-Cheney '04 is using 9/11 footage in a multimillion dollar ad campaign. "With all due respect, I just completely disagree, and I believe the vast majority of the American people will as well," she said in a television interview.

Hughes, unlike many protesting family members of 9/11 victims, approves of the ground zero footage in the president's political ads, using the kind of language some use to describe softcore porn. "I think it is very tasteful," she said. "It is a reminder of our shared experience as a nation."

And those who disagree with her and the White House clearly have an agenda, Hughes says. They must be partisan. They must be Democrats. "I can understand why some Democrats might not want the American people to remember the great leadership and strength the president and first lady Laura Bush brought to our country in the aftermath of that," Hughes said.

simply put, while i'm not offended by the ad, and i don't really find anything about bush using it that offensive, i find hughes's apparent callousness absolutely offensive.

[The Mad Monk]

Do you know where that quote came from?

[The Mad Monk]

It's interesting.

“With all due respect, I just completely disagree, and I believe the vast majority of the American people will as well,” Karen Hughes, a Bush campaign adviser, told CBS News' The Early Show.

“Sept. 11 was not just a distant tragedy. It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Obviously, all of us mourn and grieve for the victims of that terrible day, but Sept. 11 fundamentally changed our public policy in many important ways, and I think it's vital that the next president recognize that.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in603941.shtml

"I respectfully, completely disagree," Bush adviser Karen Hughes said Thursday on CNN's "American Morning."

"Your viewers saw the ad. I think it's very tasteful. It's a reminder of our shared experience as a nation. I mean September 11th is not just some distant tragedy from the past, it really defined our future."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...z.bush.ads.ap/

I've been trying to locate a transcript, but it's not cooperating.

[Ned]

Brit Hume did a piece on the complainers tonight. They are in fact leaders in the Democrat campaign for Kerry.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by The diplomat
How come nobody is offended by the new MoveOn.Org ad that blatantly politicizes the economic suffering of millions of Americans. I don't know about you, but if I were a factory worker who lost my job and couldn't pay the bills, I would not want some political group using my pain to beat up a political opponent!

Some of MoveOn's proposed ads, such as that of morphing Bush into Hitler is just inane and tasteless, yes.


But the example you just picked for your argument is on a different caliber than Bush's abuse of 9/11's tragedy.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by MrFun

Some of MoveOn's proposed ads, such as that of morphing Bush into Hitler is just inane and tasteless, yes.

But the example you just picked for your argument is on a different caliber than Bush's abuse of 9/11's tragedy.

"abuse" is a strong word, don't you think? The ads simply reminds us of a historical event. It does not twist the event, it does not interpret the event. Bush is not abusing 9/11.

And what about Kerry who uses Vietnam in his ads? He is abusing Vietnam and the poor souls who died in that war for political gain.

If it is wrong for Bush to use 9/11 for political gain, it should also be wrong for Kerry for use Vietnam for political gain too!

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by The diplomat


"abuse" is a strong word, don't you think? The ads simply reminds us of a historical event. It does not twist the event, it does not interpret the event. Bush is not abusing 9/11.

And what about Kerry who uses Vietnam in his ads? He is abusing Vietnam and the poor souls who died in that war for political gain.

If it is wrong for Bush to use 9/11 for political gain, it should also be wrong for Kerry for use Vietnam for political gain too!

I wouldn't have any problem if Rudy Gulliani used images of 9/11 in his ads (provided they were tasteful,) but when Bush uses them, its certainly insincere.

What did Bush have to do with those images? Certainly not pay NYC the money that he promised he would... he's no better or more righteous in this regard than an absentee dad.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by MrBaggins

I wouldn't have any problem if Rudy Gulliani used images of 9/11 in his ads (provided they were tasteful,) but when Bush uses them, its certainly insincere.

How do you know it is insincere? You just don't like Bush, so you assume that he is being insincere or disingenuine with these ads.

What did Bush have to do with those images? Certainly not pay NYC the money that he promised he would... he's no better or more righteous in this regard than an absentee dad.

Bush showed tremendous leadership during the days after 9/11. When he visited NY against the advice of the secret service, he lifted the morale of a lot of people who badly needed. he gave his all to the men and women who lost loved ones on that day. he showed tremendous character and courage, and moral leadership. To say that he is like an absentee dad, is simply false and outrageous.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by The diplomat
How do you know it is insincere? You just don't like Bush, so you assume that he is being insincere or disingenuine with these ads.

Bush has a history of inserting himself into situations just for P.R. purposes... E.G. 9/11 WTC, and that stunt on the aircraft carrier when he represented himself as a warrior, when the closest he'd gotten to combat was a painful teeth cleaning in Alabama.

Bush showed tremendous leadership during the days after 9/11. When he visited NY against the advice of the secret service, he lifted the morale of a lot of people who badly needed. he gave his all to the men and women who lost loved ones on that day. he showed tremendous character and courage, and moral leadership. To say that he is like an absentee dad, is simply false and outrageous.

I've seen zero evidence of character or courage... particularly when you consider his war record. Watching while someone else does the hard work is Georges M.O.

Absentee dads don't pay the support that they promise. Explain how this isn't the same.

[GePap]

For all the praise heaped on NYC after 9/11, this administration has been extremly unhelpful at best to NYC, and to the commission tyring to investigate 9/11. And they plan to exploit 9/11 politically with thier convention, though the big story of that will be the huge protests that will greet the republicans.

I myself though am not offended by these adds-what the hell did anyone expect? Of course Bush was going to use images of 9/11, and politically it makes sense, and NO, I don;t care if some families are offended-there are people out there who get offended at anything.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Ned
Brit Hume did a piece on the complainers tonight. They are in fact leaders in the Democrat campaign for Kerry.

How utterly surprising.


Who is it again that is politicizing this?

[GePap]

Cause brit Hume (ex republican speechwriter) of course is completely umbiased...

And again, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE EXPECT! Is everyone here so utterly clueless about politics? All those attacks vs Kerry and him being called "Hanoi John", who the hell do you think started those? third party's? NO, people working and supporting Bush..



And we become obcessed with non-issues (this whole qadd thing is a non-issue), then people get cynical about styupid things and then wallow in their cynicism while ignoring important things.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Actualy I agree GePap. I said it earlier its gonna be one of the ugliest campaigns ever. Nothing is surprising.

Perhaps we should for grins and giggles keep a score card to see who is doing more personal attacks.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by The diplomat


"abuse" is a strong word, don't you think? The ads simply reminds us of a historical event. It does not twist the event, it does not interpret the event. Bush is not abusing 9/11.

And what about Kerry who uses Vietnam in his ads? He is abusing Vietnam and the poor souls who died in that war for political gain.

If it is wrong for Bush to use 9/11 for political gain, it should also be wrong for Kerry for use Vietnam for political gain too!

Kerry got his hands dirty fighting the war in Vietnam, so he can use his experience for his campaign.

Bush on the other hand, cowered with fear by hiding in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

[oedo]

do good things an tell about it.
however, the Bush admin tells us alot about 9/11 for almost three years now. on the other side they didn´t do any good things about it, yet. so they try to get political gain for something they completly ****ed up in past and present.

[MrFun]

It's disgusting the way the Bush administration is using 9/11 and its aftermath to claim that the Republican party is the only party equated with patriotism, or national security.

Such values as patriotism and national security belong to the Democrats as well as Republicans.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
It's disgusting the way the Bush administration is using 9/11 and its aftermath to claim that the Republican party is the only party equated with patriotism, or national security.

He's running for reelection. I wouldn't expect him to say too many nice things about his opponents.

[MrFun]

Yeah -- it's way too easy for opposing politicians to tar and feather the other political party as being unpatriotic and against national security concerns.

How dumb does Bush think American voters are??

[Traianvs]

How dumb does Bush think American voters are??

I'm sure every politician in any country on the world knows just how stupid voters are


Btw those ads were hilarious. If there were similar ads on our channels, with our politicians, I would laugh 30 minutes non-stop rolling on the floor, but that's just me

[Sava]

Bush showed tremendous leadership during the days after 9/11. When he visited NY against the advice of the secret service, he lifted the morale of a lot of people who badly needed. he gave his all to the men and women who lost loved ones on that day. he showed tremendous character and courage, and moral leadership. To say that he is like an absentee dad, is simply false and outrageous.

the absentee dad comment is due to the FACT that Bush promised $20 billion to New York... they eventually got $9 billion, after begging... and they deducted National Guard costs from that $9 billion.

Bush is a shithead... and so are the moron supporters that don't know the truth of his callousness.

I don't give half a crap about his ads. I'm actually glad he's trying to exploit 9-11 rather than run a smear campaign against Kerry like Bush did to John McCain in the 2000 primaries. Bush's ads said McCain fathered an illegitimate black child (a complete lie), was doing the bidding of North Vietnamese (which people in the Nedaverse still believe), and that McCain faked his POW treatment.

Frankly, it's surprising Bush isn't showing ads with John Kerry next to Osama bin Laden, like Bush's people did to Max Cleland during the 2002 campaign.

In terms of the slimy and utter **** Bush ads usually are, this one is actually quite harmless.

Bush haters will hate it (or be like me and not care), Bush lovers will love it, and people in the middle won't pay attention.

[DanS]

on the other side they didn´t do any good things about it, yet.

Dude, you must have been asleep for the last several years.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

DanS,

Its called "Denial".

[mindseye]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Who can think of a politician from either party that wouldn't have made a similar add? Anyone?

Good point, but it was Bush, not another politician of either party, who said of 9-11:

, "I have no ambition whatsoever to use this as a political issue."

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/05/po...gn/05BUSH.html

Maybe he should've checked with Ms. Hughes before stating that before Congress in 2002.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Some of MoveOn's proposed ads, . . .

An anyone who actully pays atention will tell you, these are not MoveOn's ads. They were ads submitted by indivudals as part of a contest. There were over 1500 ads submitted. The one's you mentioned weren't even selected to be voted on.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Alright, who here thinks Bush's "9-11" ("a day of tradgedy") commercial is offensive?

I want a show of hands.

i don't find it offensive in the true sense of the word. the response after 9-11 indeed showed the strength and unity amoungst americans. and although bush was a strong figure during those dark times (eclipsed only by Rudy), he wasn't responsible for the actions of the majority of Americans, which he seems to be taking credit for.

so, i'm kind of neutral on the issue. Bush did a bang up job of keeping cool, calm, and collected immediately following the attacks. he didn't go about and slaughter anyone capable of doing it, he figured it out first. he stood on TV and made speeches he probably didn't write, but he WAS there. the entire nation watched him, and he stood proud, so we all did.

i don't like how he lumps the spirit of the american citizens with himself though. Firemen from Minnesota came to New York out of their own free will, not because Bush told them to. he seems to be taking credit for basic human decency / a deisre to help others.

ahhh. a surge of patriotism just swelled in me when i remembered all those people who came to the aid of new york. see? it's working.

USA! USA! USA!

[FlameFlash]

It's very impressive that just three little ads cause so much conversation.

I just wish I could ad something...

Sava, do you have any more of those Hitler/Bush images? I have a friend who has been saying the same thing and know he'd get a kick out of seeing it.

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap
Cause brit Hume (ex republican speechwriter) of course is completely umbiased...

And again, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE EXPECT! Is everyone here so utterly clueless about politics? All those attacks vs Kerry and him being called "Hanoi John", who the hell do you think started those? third party's? NO, people working and supporting Bush..



And we become obcessed with non-issues (this whole qadd thing is a non-issue), then people get cynical about styupid things and then wallow in their cynicism while ignoring important things.

Chris Matthews, democrat, had a number of spouses of 9/11 victims on his show last night who complained bitterly of Bush's ads.

Matthews then ran an ad by Kerry from last year where he too used 9/11 as a point in his argument about HIS leadership. Matthews then asked each of the spouses, in turn, whether they had the same feelings about Kerry's ad.

Well, I don't even have to tell you what they said, do I? We ALL know what the answer was and, more than that, we know WHY.

[Ned]

A major reason the democrats are politicizing these adds is "free adverstising" by the news who not only denegrate the ads free of charge for the Dems, but also keep Kerry's name in the news.

[DanS]

Maybe he should've checked with Ms. Hughes before stating that before Congress in 2002.

He isn't making it a political issue, but rather his response to 9/11 is the political issue. Bush's response is fair game for both sides.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


An anyone who actully pays atention will tell you, these are not MoveOn's ads. They were ads submitted by indivudals as part of a contest. There were over 1500 ads submitted. The one's you mentioned weren't even selected to be voted on.

I phrased it wrong -- I should have stated, "Some of the proposed ads presented to MoveOn . . . .


I am aware what the process involved, but thanks for pointing out my error.