March 7, 2004, 23:56
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And we've all established that your opinion means little  .
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I concede you this. I think apolyton underestimates me, in part because I post here to improve my English. In my philosophy department I pwn everyone. 
...yeah that's it...
You still never realized that the war of everyone against everyone means we have a right to everything in the state of nature.
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March 7, 2004, 23:58
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As it is right now, 10.55 PM Eastern time, I have updated the nominations
Keep the nominations coming.
BTW, Berzerker, I can't count your votes.
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March 7, 2004, 23:59
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You still never realized that the war of everyone against everyone means we have a right to everything in the state of nature.
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And you got so pwned on this fact by asserting the utter ridiculousness than the right to nothing = right to everything, I wonder why ANYONE takes you seriously?
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March 8, 2004, 00:11
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March 8, 2004, 00:15
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Well at least we know you are a Hobbesian. Explains a lot... especially since he's kinda been discredited... well except in the brutal monarchies of the world .
And from what I remember, Hobbes defended a theory that in a state of nature there is a right to nothing. Not a right to everything, which is something only a King can have.
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March 8, 2004, 00:20
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Wait, you fool.
I am not an Hobbesian. I never said that I believe in rights of nature.
My intervention in the debate was to say that IF there are rights of nature, they can only have been like Hobbes described them.
And Hobbes has been discredited because of his views on human nature (rational selfishness), not because his theory is inconsistent, far from that.
I think there is a difference between being an pwned idiot and defending something said by Hobbes.
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March 8, 2004, 00:21
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Thanks for updating.
How about also giving everybody one blocking vote, to strike one of the nominations off the list? 
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March 8, 2004, 00:25
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And from what I remember, Hobbes defended a theory that in a state of nature there is a right to nothing. Not a right to everything, which is something only a King can have.
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You are an Hobbesian yourself- that you know it or not, many ideas you defend are very Hobbesian in nature.
Basically, Hobbes said that everyone believes they have a right to anything, and will only cede it to a Leviathan. The Leviathan has a right to everything by virtue of positive right, not natural right.
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March 8, 2004, 00:32
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
You are an Hobbesian yourself- that you know it or not, many ideas you defend are very Hobbesian in nature.
Basically, Hobbes said that everyone believes they have a right to anything, and will only cede it to a Leviathan. The Leviathan has a right to everything by virtue of positive right, not natural right.
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Please, Asher FakeBoris, NOT IN THIS THREAD. 
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March 8, 2004, 00:35
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Asher, you forgot the 'my love' part. Ahem, yeah. 
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March 8, 2004, 01:03
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My intervention in the debate was to say that IF there are rights of nature, they can only have been like Hobbes described them.
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Funny you forgot about that other English philosopher, Locke.. call yourself a philosophy person do you .
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Basically, Hobbes said that everyone believes they have a right to anything, and will only cede it to a Leviathan. The Leviathan has a right to everything by virtue of positive right, not natural right.
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Yes, they believe they have a right to anything, but yet, in actuality they have a right to nothing (since their 'right' can be taken away by the stronger). That is why they MUST have a Leviathan so that he can grant them the right to life and security. The Leviathan is the only one who has a right to everything.
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You are an Hobbesian yourself- that you know it or not, many ideas you defend are very Hobbesian in nature.
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Such as? I've never known myself to defend total 'security'.
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March 8, 2004, 01:05
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Imran, we shouldn't be debating this right now in this thread. My assignment for Tuesday is to read Locke, so your time waiting won't have been wated. 
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March 8, 2004, 01:25
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
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You have to have actually engaged in a debate 1st.
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March 8, 2004, 01:27
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true, one swish from my mighty tail is usually enough.
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March 8, 2004, 01:29
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Originally posted by Berzerker
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I've never seen DF lose a debate and that includes the one time he and I were debating the validity of Gulf War II... Maybe DF knows of a debate he feels he lost, but I don't and I see no proof from you.
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Woah, no Thieven?! You must be in a good mood today.
I'm sure DF doesn't feel he ever lost a debate. But you can't claim 'victory' when the other side(s) leave in frustruation b/c one constantly repeats the same false premise over and over.
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David loses a debate the moment he opens his mouth.
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What Slowwy said. 
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March 8, 2004, 01:30
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true, one swish from my mighty tail is usually enough.
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The smell is enough to drive us away. 
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I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
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March 8, 2004, 01:33
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far too many mass debaters here
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March 8, 2004, 02:09
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MTG
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March 8, 2004, 02:15
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Wait, you fool.
I am not an Hobbesian. I never said that I believe in rights of nature.
My intervention in the debate was to say that IF there are rights of nature, they can only have been like Hobbes described them.
And Hobbes has been discredited because of his views on human nature (rational selfishness), not because his theory is inconsistent, far from that.
I think there is a difference between being an pwned idiot and defending something said by Hobbes.
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These are the worst kinds of debates.
Philosophical clan wars.
Too categorical.
Too "sophomore in college getting first taste of independence and smoked too much before coming to class and is starting to reshape world view based on limited amount of new knowledge" annoying.
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March 8, 2004, 02:15
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It's better to just post Britney pics and talk about hoes.
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March 8, 2004, 02:16
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Too "sophomore in college getting first taste of independence and smoked too much before coming to class and is starting to reshape world view based on limited amount of new knowledge" annoying.
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I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
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March 8, 2004, 02:19
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Asher is an expert in the technical area.
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In some technical areas. My reading of his knowledge is that of a technician's, not an engineer's. YMMV.
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March 8, 2004, 02:20
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What does YMMV mean?
Is that like YMCA?
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March 8, 2004, 02:21
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Everybody has lost a debate and that includes MTG
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Did I just agree with Ted?
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March 8, 2004, 02:22
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
What does YMMV mean?
Is that like YMCA?
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Your milage may vary.
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March 8, 2004, 02:25
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In some technical areas. My reading of his knowledge is that of a technician's, not an engineer's. YMMV.
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Technician my ass. 
An "engineer" is one who is interested in the practical aspects of their field.
The difference between a technician and an engineer is a technician is trained in low-level tasks and mostly as someone who fixes things or sets things up. An engineer is the person who designs such things.
I don't know how you'd gather that I'm a technician -- a few summers ago I worked at Voodoo and built computers, but I've also worked as a software engineer more recently, and all of my education is either science, math, or engineering -- no technician-like things.
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March 8, 2004, 03:08
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It's better to just post Britney pics and talk about hoes.
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Word.
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March 8, 2004, 03:58
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I challenge anyone to support his ridiculous viewpoint
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 I thought I made that clear in the thread?
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Then you too are a fool in this respect. The facts go the other way. I'd post more, but UR already closed the thread.
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March 8, 2004, 03:59
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Everyone's a fool but you, huh.
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March 8, 2004, 04:19
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Nope, those who possess common sense and can read are exempted. Obviously, you don't fall into that class.
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