NY Times on Kerry: Liar! - Page 2

mrmitchell · March 6, 2004, 23:21

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Plato, Bush is a rareity among politicians, a man of his word.

I'd fall off my chair and cough out all of my internal organs while laughing.

But you're serious.

Imran Siddiqui · March 7, 2004, 00:15

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I can think of no major policy where Bush said he would do one thing and then did another.

You already mentioned 'nation building'. Hell, he campaigned against it and is doing MORE national building that Clinton ever dreamed of!

He campaigned that he would cut government waste and spending, and the budget has careened out of control! I don't know how a 'real' Republican can say Bush never lied to us!

Giancarlo · March 7, 2004, 00:16

But Imran, a question, are you going to vote for Bush or *gasp* Kerry?

DinoDoc · March 7, 2004, 00:18

Kerry. Haven't you been paying attention?

Giancarlo · March 7, 2004, 00:20

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Kerry. Haven't you been paying attention?

No.. I haven't been following up lately.

That's stupid. Kerry means even larger government.

mrmitchell · March 7, 2004, 00:26

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That's stupid. Kerry means even larger government.

Bush = even larger government
Kerry = even larger government

Bush = increase spending, lower taxes, and the tooth fairy will come in and give us the difference
Kerry = increase home spending where we need it instead of blowing $87B on foreign hellholes

Giancarlo · March 7, 2004, 00:29

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Originally posted by mrmitchell
Bush = increase spending, lower taxes, and the tooth fairy will come in and give us the difference
Kerry = increase home spending where we need it instead of blowing $87B on foreign hellholes

That's stupid. Kerry means higher taxes and suffering for the entire middle class. Kerry means a flip-flop of opinion every two weeks, and an overall weak commander in chief. Is this really a man you trust with the world's most powerful military, considering his anti-military voting record? He reminds me of Walter Mondale or even Dukakis.

Q Classic · March 7, 2004, 01:01

bush is a liar. he's about as honest as nixon. the only thing he has going for him is consistency.

once he says one thing, he doesn't deviate from it, no matter how wrong it is, like "you see, when we're talking about war, we're really talking about peace."

so bush is a consistent liar.

kerry, on the other hand, is a liar with no consistency.

so really, when it comes to things they both say, it's a tough choice between something with a lot of consistency, like really stinky, constipated rabbit dropping turds, or something with no consistency, like the non-oral excrement arising from the norwalk virus.

your choice.

Imran Siddiqui · March 7, 2004, 01:03

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Kerry. Haven't you been paying attention?

Yep... first Democrat I'll ever vote for (though I haven't been able to vote for Zell Miller in GA, but I would have

).

DinoDoc · March 7, 2004, 01:07

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(though I haven't been able to vote for Zell Miller in GA, but I would have

).

Zell endorsed Bush.

Imran Siddiqui · March 7, 2004, 01:09

BFD. Endorsements are as important as tits on a boar (to quote Slowwhand).

Q Classic · March 7, 2004, 01:26

i liked zell miller as governor, and i voted him as senator. what he's done during his term, i've got mixed opinions on, but i don't mind.

it's saxby chambliss that i can't stand.

CharlesBHoff · March 7, 2004, 03:14

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Originally posted by Giancarlo

Bushwatch.com?

I'd find more credibility at TheOnion.com.

Kerry flip-flops all the time. At least Bush doesn't. Lets face it, both are anti-gay marriage. That's a fact. I am voting on honesty and national security, and in my opinion Bush far wins that one.

The flip=flops issue is than GOP smear tactic. First people have than right to change their mind on issues. It people didnot change they mind there would be no prossive at all. New facts can lead than legimate polcymaker to change his mind.

I look at Hannely new book where he attack the UN as being anti-demoncary as some member have dictorship and Islamic Government which America doesnot like. The UN was never meant to be than demoncary inst, it was mean to be than orginate of Nation with different forms of government. Hannely is so proBush that it make
him supity.

Than case in which change mind is good over two year old I have major surgical done. The doc first though I have colon cancer than they where going to remove it by the new methord of the tude up the rearend. I was only able to drink 1 glass of the thing to clean out your colon, as that one glass filled me up.
They took more x-ray with the specist looking at it right away. They found I have than slowly leakly apent which inflame and infect half of my large colon. They dump some electic surgery case off the list later on in the day so they can do it the old fashion way. By following your logic I should change doc because they flip-flop in they
medicate opion.

Ned · March 7, 2004, 04:17

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Originally posted by Giancarlo
But Imran, a question, are you going to vote for Bush or *gasp* Kerry?

Giancarlo, Imran has lost his ability to think clearly.

Ned · March 7, 2004, 04:18

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Originally posted by Giancarlo

No.. I haven't been following up lately.

That's stupid. Kerry means even larger government.

Not only that. He is a purebred anti-American.

Ned · March 7, 2004, 04:19

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Originally posted by mrmitchell

Bush = even larger government
Kerry = even larger government

Bush = increase spending, lower taxes, and the tooth fairy will come in and give us the difference
Kerry = increase home spending where we need it instead of blowing $87B on foreign hellholes

The one thing Kerry guarantees is that he will raise taxes. He does not promise to reduce spending.

Q Classic · March 7, 2004, 04:20

i love the charge "he's anti-american" used by people who are on the right in regards to people who might disagree with them.

Urban Ranger · March 7, 2004, 04:22

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Originally posted by Ned
Not only that. He is a purebred anti-American.

Haven't we been through this before and found no evidence for this smear?

Ned · March 7, 2004, 04:25

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Originally posted by CharlesBHoff

The flip=flops issue is than GOP smear tactic. First people have than right to change their mind on issues. It people didnot change they mind there would be no prossive at all. New facts can lead than legimate polcymaker to change his mind.

The NYTimes is a right wing defamation rag? Really??

Even if people have a right to change their minds, we expect a leader to choose a proper course and fight, and fight hard for his ideas.

One does not expect a leader to change his views every two weeks, or to tell every audience what they want to hear only to lie to the next audience that what he just said never happened.

The audacity of Kerry's lies is amazing. He must think everyone is stupid -- or a liberal fellow-traveller who will "ignore" the fact that he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

Ned · March 7, 2004, 04:27

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Originally posted by Q Cubed
i love the charge "he's anti-american" used by people who are on the right in regards to people who might disagree with them.

I charge Kerry with being anti-American because of what he did and said in 1970-71.

monkspider · March 7, 2004, 04:29

Wow, Imran is voting for Kerry?!?!

I never would have seen that coming. It's great to see that more and more people are slowing waking up. I've always loved Imran, but I used to think of him as really one of more of our more biased right-wing types. It fills me with hope that, despite past ideological biases, perhaps more people can learn to view things as objectively as he has.

Ned · March 7, 2004, 04:29

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Haven't we been through this before and found no evidence for this smear?

Urban Ranger, you are not an American who was there during the Vietnam War. You have no idea just how much I hate Kerry and how much many Americans of my era hate him.

Giancarlo · March 7, 2004, 04:31

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Originally posted by monkspider
Wow, Imran is voting for Kerry?!?!

I never would have seen that coming. It's great to see that more and more people are slowing waking up. I've always loved Imran, but I used to think of him as really one of more of our more biased right-wing types. It fills me with hope that, despite past ideological biases, perhaps more people can learn to view things as objectively as he has.

Wake up and don't vote for the great anti-american. Rather Imran has fallen into a trap of the weak evil leftist forces in this country, that are attempting a coup d'etat against the government. These evil leftist forces are weak in nature and will collapse on their own sense of stupidity and impotence.

monkspider · March 7, 2004, 04:40

Ned,

You're too blinded by hatred to see past the tip of your nose. You are afraid to face your responsibilty to other people, so you have created your own universe to hide in and you lash out at anyone who values love and brotherhood. Just know that your universe is a lonely place, and the sooner you can join the rest of us, the better. You just need to learn to value love more than hatred, and you will have great potential in this life.

MrFun · March 7, 2004, 04:45

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Originally posted by Giancarlo

Wake up and don't vote for the great anti-american. Rather Imran has fallen into a trap of the weak evil leftist forces in this country, that are attempting a coup d'etat against the government. These evil leftist forces are weak in nature and will collapse on their own sense of stupidity and impotence.

Nice to see that some things never change -- like this kind of crap that you have always managed to post in threads.

oedo · March 7, 2004, 06:15

Ned, you were in Vietnam?

Giancarlo · March 7, 2004, 06:23

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Originally posted by monkspider

Ned,

You're too blinded by hatred to see past the tip of your nose. You are afraid to face your responsibilty to other people, so you have created your own universe to hide in and you lash out at anyone who values love and brotherhood. Just know that your universe is a lonely place, and the sooner you can join the rest of us, the better. You just need to learn to value love more than hatred, and you will have great potential in this life.

Illogical communism values love and brotherhood?

That's laughable at best. Ned is right about one thing... you commies are doomed to failure. You don't want to bring out the potential of people, you want to throw them in great chasms of failure and misery. You value nothing but horror and unjust income redistribution.

DaShi · March 7, 2004, 06:31

Yay! Clinton's back!

Monk · March 7, 2004, 06:46

While I don't doubt that some politicians have a higher moral character than others, some of you guys are in need of a paradigm shift in your conception of politics. First of all, it should be about the issues much more than the candidates. Secondly, we need to accept that anybody who wants to hold a political office of great importance would have to have stabbed somebody in the back at some point or said one thing and done something else at another time. It's not pretty but it's inevitable because that's the way politics goes and the other side is doing it too.

I think it's tiring how people seemingly want to turn themselves into one-sided characters in every and all political debates around here. I can only imagine Ned's outrage if Bush had been a candidate for the Democrats. So Ned, do you even have a single viewpoint on politics that favours Democrats over Republicans? If yes, why we hear about that for a change? Vice versa, the same could be said for Sava and quite a couple others.

Monk · March 7, 2004, 06:50

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Originally posted by monkspider
Wow, Imran is voting for Kerry?!?!

I never would have seen that coming. It's great to see that more and more people are slowing waking up. I've always loved Imran, but I used to think of him as really one of more of our more biased right-wing types. It fills me with hope that, despite past ideological biases, perhaps more people can learn to view things as objectively as he has.

Although I'm not certain how much Imran's support is based on the man himself and how much it's based on his political stances, it gave me some hope to see a 'Poly poster make a choice like that.