March 23, 2004, 10:51
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ninjas are retarded
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March 23, 2004, 11:02
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You just made the list, buddy.
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March 23, 2004, 11:07
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Boht ninjas AND samurai are stupid-heck, the Japanese had to ban guns simply to keep these guys around-any warrior class that can only survive by passing laws against technological innovation is CRAP.
The Samurai got pwned by peons with guns!
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March 23, 2004, 11:16
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I know you're trolling, but even trolls should have some measure of historical accuracy.
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March 23, 2004, 11:29
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/me randomly pokes Shop patrons
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March 23, 2004, 11:48
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I know you're trolling, but even trolls should have some measure of historical accuracy.
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It's a simple summary, but where is the inaccuracy?
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March 23, 2004, 11:50
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March 23, 2004, 12:03
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It's a simple summary, but where is the inaccuracy?
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The Japanese never banned guns or made laws against technological innovation and samurai were hardly owned by foot soldiers with guns. That pretty much makes his whole point historically incorrect, no?
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March 23, 2004, 12:09
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need more beer 
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March 23, 2004, 12:16
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The Japanese never banned guns or made laws against technological innovation and samurai were hardly owned by foot soldiers with guns. That pretty much makes his whole point historically incorrect, no?
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So where did all the peons with guns go? Vanished into thin air? Maybe the y drank DDs beer and collapsed vomiting? Did Robo-simmons kill them?
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March 23, 2004, 12:30
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*cg peers . o 0 (That sounds suspiciously like a real discussion.)
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March 23, 2004, 12:32
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what ... who... where...
who drank alll the beeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrr
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March 23, 2004, 12:39
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So where did all the peons with guns go? Vanished into thin air?
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Back to their farms. No place for them in a peaceful era with rigid class distinctions between warriors and other members of society.
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March 23, 2004, 12:40
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Back to their farms. No place for them in a peaceful era with rigid class distinctions between warriors and other members of society.
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Rigid class disticntions they could have oevrturned if they had kept their guns and ran out he samurai.
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March 23, 2004, 12:43
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Rigid class disticntions they could have oevrturned if they had kept their guns and ran out he samurai.
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I see you persist in the mistaken belief that barely trained foot soldiers equipped with guns were ever a match for the large, highly trained and battle hardened samurai class.
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March 23, 2004, 12:53
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I see you persist in the mistaken belief that barely trained foot soldiers equipped with guns were ever a match for the large, highly trained and battle hardened samurai class.
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you mean how badly trained peons with guns pwned the highly trained and battle hardened knights?
Yes, unthinkable.
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March 23, 2004, 12:54
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I see you persist in the mistaken belief that barely trained foot soldiers equipped with guns were ever a match for the large, highly trained and battle hardened samurai class.
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It's true, though. That's why the Knightly class in Europe eventually collpsed...English Yeomen Longbows, peasents who just had a Longbow and leather armor (if that) destroyed the ultra-expensive Kinghts.
The same happened in Japan. Tokugawa banned firearms after he became Shogun, because he knew it would threaten his rule. (Guess what he used to assert his controll over the other Samuari at the begining of his campaign?)
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March 23, 2004, 12:56
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GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE! HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE NOT FUN POST HERE!
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March 23, 2004, 12:58
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Your service is crap-we are bored.
HOW DARE YOU RUN A COFFEE SHOP WERE ONE CAN'T EVEN GET COFFEE.
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March 23, 2004, 12:59
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This is fun...
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And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
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March 23, 2004, 13:00
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March 23, 2004, 13:01
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March 23, 2004, 13:05
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The same happened in Japan.
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No, it didn't. Japan and Europe aren't the same.
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Tokugawa banned firearms after he became Shogun, because he knew it would threaten his rule.
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The Tokugawa did ban firearms, but they never enforced the ban and the daimyo never followed it. Functionally, nothing changed. Not what you'd expect if the Tokugawa (or the daimyo themselves) really feared a peasant revolt using firearms.
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(Guess what he used to assert his controll over the other Samuari at the begining of his campaign?)
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I could give you a list, but we've pissed DD off enough, I think. It certainly wasn't firearms, however, as any daimyo worth his salt had firearms by the time of Sekigahara. The examples of Nobunaga and Hideyoshi were more than enough to convince military leaders of the value of firearm-equipped foot soldiers.
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March 23, 2004, 13:06
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Oh, and I'd be a bit more receptive to the owner's wishes if he'd GIVE ME MY ****ING SWORD! 
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March 23, 2004, 13:36
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Cool -- I'm on your ignore list now?  
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March 23, 2004, 13:38
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Shoot, I pop in before leaving for work, then stop by during the lunch break and I missed the discussion of ninjas and samuaris and such...
Now that silly discussion is over...can I get a saki?
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March 23, 2004, 13:39
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What the freaking, dog's name, hell is a damn saki?
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March 23, 2004, 13:39
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*Holds Ninja sword against Mr. Fun's furry neck*
Don't you ever talk bad about my ninja brothahood again.
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March 23, 2004, 13:40
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Dude, ninjas are like, soooo retarded. 
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March 23, 2004, 13:51
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