Socialist claim victory in Spain

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Ned
What this shows is that the left is feeling very vulnerable on this issue.

Actually it shows even more than that:

1.) al-Qaida assigns importance to Iraq to the point of redefining its strategy. There are no Spanish troops in their holy land...just secular Iraq...Hmmm

2.) al-Qaida is becoming more political in its attacks...and picked a situation where they could possibly effect a leftist change...Hmmm

3.) al-Qaida struck in Europe...Where the fracture in the Western approach to terrorism is the greatest...Hmmm

The left may not be willing to admit it, but al-Qaida desperately wants them to assume governmental control. The conservative approach is just to hard for them to combat.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

You know Giancarlo, what I find simply amazing

who do you think you are? bill oreilly? sean hannity?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by PLATO
The conservative approach is just to hard for them to combat.

Apparently not

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


Apparently not

Actually...a very good point.

[Agathon]

Aren't we overlooking the real tragedy here?

I mean these guys detonated ten bombs in the middle of Madrid and didn't manage to put a scratch on either of the Beckhams.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Ned


You know Giancarlo, what I find simply amazing is the denial by the left that the attacks, their association with al Qaeda and Spain's involvement in Iraq did not influence the election. They clearly did given the pre-attack polls showing the PP way ahead.

Again, Georgia 2002. Polls can get it wrong.

What this shows is that the left is feeling very vulnerable on this issue.

No Ned, what the left is pissed off about is that your underlying assumption is that somehow the left is ok with terrorism.

**** you.

I live in New York - which actually got attacked. My wife lost two friends. My best friend's brother-in-law went active with the fire dept. the week after 9/11 to a fire house that lost alot of personnel in the attacks. You think I, or any liberal New Yorker, in any way wants to give terrorism a pass? Oh, but voting to the left is somehow equivalent to appeasing terrorists? Sorry, getting a hard-on over bombing people who had nothing to do with the attacks isn't being "tough on terror". The left wants to see this **** end and the right for all their bluster has done nothing.

So enough of this bullshit appeasement meme. In fact, it happened on Aznar's watch so it might just be that his failure tipped the election.

So **** you, **** Fez, and **** all the rest of you who think that liberals are all terrorist appeasers. It's liberals that got attacked. You ****ing hillbillies in the south don't have to worry: the terrorists don't even consider you worth blowing up.

So again, **** you.

[Giancarlo]

Hahahaha.. I pissed somebody off.. you think you used the four letter F word enough in that post? My friend was almost killed in the Madrid attacks. I just found out he lost his leg. So don't you dare ****ing minimize me.

I'm not one of those hillbillies. I happen to be European.

[DinoDoc]

You ****ing hillbillies in the south don't have to worry

I love you too.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Panties in a bunch?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


who do you think you are? bill oreilly? sean hannity?

Why, do they say that too?

[Ned]

The Templar, I think the left is blinded by their hatred of Bush so much that they will even cut the legs out from the war on terror if somehow that gets Bush out of office.

This al Qaeda attack was specifically directed at Spain to fracture the Coalition and to drive Spain out of Iraq.

The attack succeeded.

The left will not accept this today even though we saw them bearing signs just last week to the effect that "the bombs fell in Iraq and landed in Spain." There were no doubts then that the left knew why al Qaeda attacked Spain. None at all.

No the new PM says that he is going to withdraw Spanish troops and somehow the left refused to accept that al Qaeda won. Spain is defeated. Europe is weakened. Ditto the coalition. Iraq has been placed in peril and the war on terror has taken a major step backwards.

These are the facts. The results in Spain were a major blow to the war on terror.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Why, do they say that too?

all the time, when the wolves try to hide under sheep skin and try to be human, and they feign shock.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Ned
The Templar, I think the left is blinded by their hatred of Bush so much that they will even cut the legs out from the war on terror if somehow that gets Bush out of office.

This al Qaeda attack was specifically directed at Spain to fracture the Coalition and to drive Spain out of Iraq.

The attack succeeded.

The left will not accept this today even though we saw them bearing signs just last week to the effect that "the bombs fell in Iraq and landed in Spain." There were no doubts then that the left knew why al Qaeda attacked Spain. None at all.

No the new PM says that he is going to withdraw Spanish troops and somehow the left refused to accept that al Qaeda won. Spain is defeated. Europe is weakened. Ditto the coalition. Iraq has been placed in peril and the war on terror has taken a major step backwards.

These are the facts. The results in Spain were a major blow to the war on terror.

No, the Spanish people won. Anzar tried to make Iraq a non-issue int he election, and almost succeeded. Al-Queada made it an issue.

Now seeing how once 90% of Spaniards rejected the Iraq war, and ANzar went ahead anyways like a pompous politician, the Spanish people won, and the people of the world enjoyed a victory. I hope Burlesconi, Blair, and Bush are shaknig in their boots.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Hahahaha.. I pissed somebody off.. you think you used the four letter F word enough in that post? My friend was almost killed in the Madrid attacks. I just found out he lost his leg. So don't you dare ****ing minimize me.

I'm not one of those hillbillies. I happen to be European.

I thought you were leaving.

Too bad Anzar decided war was a god thing, or your friend might still have his leg today. How many Iraqi friends of your's lost their legs this year?

[Ned]

Originally posted by NeOmega


No, the Spanish people won. Anzar tried to make Iraq a non-issue int he election, and almost succeeded. Al-Queada made it an issue.

Now seeing how once 90% of Spaniards rejected the Iraq war, and ANzar went ahead anyways like a pompous politician, the Spanish people won, and the people of the world enjoyed a victory. I hope Burlesconi, Blair, and Bush are shaknig in their boots.

This only proves my point.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by NeOmega


I thought you were leaving.

Too bad Anzar decided war was a god thing, or your friend might still have his leg today. How many Iraqi friends of your's lost their legs this year?

Your are pretty arrogant. Your also pretty pathetic. Anybody who is against the Iraqi liberation is arrogant and don't look at the bigger picture. You don't even dare try to accuse Aznar of this... you are no better than the Al Qaeda spokesperson on that tape. You cannot even spell Aznar's name right.

[Oncle Boris]

Originally posted by Ned
The Templar, I think the left is blinded by their hatred of Bush so much that they will even cut the legs out from the war on terror if somehow that gets Bush out of office.

Scenario I: George W. Bush, president of United States, refuses Taliban offer to hand over Bin Laden and replace them with the Northern Alliance, a despised organization that was thrown away by the people of Afghanistan (believe it or not, the Northern Alliance is considered worse than the Taliban).

Same W. Bush attacks Iraq on false premises, perfectly knowing that pictures of dismembered children will inundate Al-Jazeera viewers. Iraq becomes a fiasco, and it is increasingly looking like America will leave it to its fate, though it obviously will build its oil wells.
During this time, he does nothing to resolve the Palestinian conflict.

Muslim fundamentalism rises. Bin Laden gets new recruits and is pleased.

Scenario II: Mr X, liberal president of the United States, accepts Taliban offer to hand over Bin Laden, and announces new humanitarian cooperation project to show his commitement towards building friendly ties.

Meanwhile, he uses his diplomatic force to lead an international initiative towards solving the Palestinian conflict. Recognizing the possible threat Iraq could present, he builds a multilateral coalition determined to enforce the WMD ban against Hussein.

Which one is most likely to help fundamentalist sentiment in the Muslim world?

This al Qaeda attack was specifically directed at Spain to fracture the Coalition and to drive Spain out of Iraq.

No. The effects of the attack were quite unexpected. In most countries (including America), the bombing would have helped the right, not the left.

[Drake Tungsten]

I think we need a "Fake Boris-verse" to serve as a counterpart to the Nedaverse. Only another alternate reality can explain the "facts" in that last post...

[Oncle Boris]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
My friend was almost killed in the Madrid attacks. I just found out he lost his leg.

I sincerely hope he wasn't insured and had to borrow money to pay for his healthcare.

Universal healthcare suxxors d00d!

[Oncle Boris]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I think we need a "Fake Boris-verse" to serve as a counterpart to the Nedaverse. Only another alternate reality can explain the "facts" in that last post...

You didn't know that the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden, didn't you? Yeah, that's serious.

And what Israel would do if the US threatened to withdraw all diplomatic and military support?

Oh, did I mention that America had no possibility at all to work multilaterally in the case of Iraq?

[Drake Tungsten]

Yeah, that's serious.

Yeah, it is...

[Oncle Boris]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Quote:

Yeah, that's serious.

Yeah, it is...

Watch something else than Fox News, you ****ing dumbass. The Taliban were not dumb enough to lose their throne. They were willing to cooperate.

[Drake Tungsten]

[Oncle Boris]

Dude I feel sorry for you.

[Oncle Boris]

Here it is:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterro...575593,00.html

[Drake Tungsten]

The feeling is mutual, I assure you.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


I sincerely hope he wasn't insured and had to borrow money to pay for his healthcare.

Universal healthcare suxxors d00d!

That is a real sick attitude to display when talking about one of my friends.

Boris, if that article is true about Bin Laden. Well I hope we take the opportunity if this guy is in fact telling the truth.

[joncha]

Other Boris:

1) That comment about Fezcarlo's friend unnecessarily cruel. Unless his friend was Hitler or Franco, which in this case I sincerely doubt. You should probably apologize. Seriously.

2) You made a good argument in your post about how a hypothetical liberal president would handle things post-911. I'm not sure, however, how "liberal" a Gore/Lieberman White House would be.

3) I'd like to see some sources on the Taliban claim. Since there's no reason to believe it a except general distrust of George W, back it up or (if shown to be empty) it's just more ammo for the Neds and Fezcarlos of the world to use against you, and by extention, the rest of us who oppose Bush's warmongering.

jon.

[Urban Ranger]

Post limit reached.