The way of the apolyton brat

I just played 4 games now with AH. First game was 2x1x, he had about 6 cities to my 35 cities. The next 3 were 2x2x. First 2 he died early on so I made it a bit bigger map. Right now in the fourth game I have 51 cities and 74 units to his 6 cities and 9 units. So what would the usual apolyton brat do? Accuse him of cheating!! So I thought since I am afterall a lowly gameleaguer why not make a post on this so AH can rip me to shreds? Show me that his intellectual capabilities are far superior to mine!! Now, why don't you make me "look stupid and a cheater to boot" AH? SHow everyone all that evidence you have. You have evidence right? I would hate to think that an esteemed apolyton brat like yourself would accuse someone of cheating without evidence. It would just be unheard of, a public outcry would ensue. I'd also like to thank you Ah for naming me the most suspect player you've ever played with. I can't tell you what an honor it is being name as such by such a popular apolyton brat. I'm definitely going places in this wonderful world. I have the saved game if anyone would like to see it, including the chat log with AH too.

[DeadWilly]

I'll play ya ! Load er up and send ip to lorbry@disinfo.net

*yawn*

3 games you find my capital and are in my face before 3500BC. One game you know your on an island by 3900BC and ask for a restart!!! I offer to host and you don't want me to??? I offer to set up a game and you don't want me to??? All games, massive lags and you have masses of settlers???

You are either:

a. A brilliant player, best I've seen.

b. The luckiest player I've ever played.

c. Or the most blatant shameless cheat I have ever encountered.

Take your pick

I never accused you of cheating, I only mentioned that I had been warned about you over icq and asked you about it. I have to say though you are the most "sus" player I have ever played.


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Every game I play I hav emasses of settlers nothing new. I knew I was on an island because my continent number was a 6, while the rest of the map was 1. Meaning I was on an island. Simple stuff, but of course a genius like you knows that right? And of course we're going to meet early on on a small map with 2x2x. T hat's the point, it's a duel. There is no sitting back and growing with no worries like your little deity large map 1x1x ****. Not only that all you do is rush for the happy wonders. Whoever gets those wins a deity game or at least has a huge advantage. Why don't you just face it AH, you suck. You've played with your apolyton brat friends for so long and kissed each other asses that you actually believe the bull**** you people say to each other.

Yep, I have to hand it to you - you were astounding at finding my cities early in the game and boxing me in. Even when you only had 1 unit, it made a beeline for my capital. Brilliant stuff. I am in awe of your ability - it was as if you could see the map!!!

What ever man. Show me some real hard evidence of me cheating. Show me the game where I went straight for your capital. Stop throwing out only bull**** and get some real stuff. This is just pathetic, I expected more of a challenge than this.

Well, I didn't accuse you of cheating and nor did I raise the issue here. I just wouldn't waste my time playing you if I thought you were. But if you want me to speculate, I think the pattern of your play betrays you. You should be more discreet about it if you are cheating. I looked at the saves, remarkable you don't even garrison cities, except those facing your opponent, such economy of effort. Such knowledge.

I don't know my tactics seem to make me number 1 on gameleague every time while holding just about every record. Why don't you play gameleague and prove how easy it is to win on it? Show how good you are AH, because truthfully you're in the category with MWHC. One of the worst players I've ever played.

Tactics? I would say your main tactics are game settings. I mean, come on! "King"? "Restless Tribes"? Your game would fall apart if you a. changed those settings or b. let your opponent get a start. Who do you think you are kidding? People will ROTFLMAO when they see the settings you insist on.

As for Games League, well, I've heard very bad reports about the integrity of players there

You shouldn't make fun of settings you lose on.

[Crustacian]

Whether a player goes after happyness wonders or masses of militarty, or economic growth, or whatever...It is like the "scissors-paper-rock game. Paper smothers rock, rock crushes scissors, scissors cut paper. Of course in Civ it is not that cut and dried, but still some strategies are not effective against others and it is a gamble in these cases as well as the strategy.
You must still be bitter over being exposed as cheating in the past. Have you learned to play in an honest mutually agreed manor yet?



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The journey itself is the thing~Odysseus

Bitter? Who said I was ever bitter in the first place? You never could figure me out. You most likely never will. Your attack Crustacian was fairly weak. You're bringing up the past to attack the present. I would only expect something like that from you though.

[Crustacian]

Also why did you restart when you were on an island Eyes? From listening to all your words it seems a bit beneath your expressed abilities to do such a thing.

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ICQ History Log For:
45583438 EyesOfNight
Started on Thu Sep 28 12:39:43 2000
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EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 8:51 AM Want to play 1 on 1?

Alexander' 26/09/00 8:58 AM okay

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 8:59 AM What settings do you want?

Alexander' 26/09/00 8:59 AM 1x1xraging, no city bribe, small map

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 9:00 AM lol ummmm....how about 2x1x, restless tribes?

Alexander' 26/09/00 9:00 AM okay

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 9:01 AM 4.48.81.57

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 10:16 AM Sorry, netzero disconnected me. 4.16.158.8 It's a new IP.

Alexander' 26/09/00 10:18 AM k

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 12:50 PM Want to finish now?

Alexander' 26/09/00 12:50 PM sorry, can't play now - same time tommorrow?

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 12:51 PM Sure.


Alexander' 26/09/00 12:53 PM great, maybe start another game - I'm not used to 2X

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 12:58 PM I like 2x2x alot more.

Alexander' 26/09/00 12:58 PM christ

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 1:01 PM How can you stand 1x movement, especially 1x production?

Alexander' 26/09/00 1:01 PM well it gives you time to build up

EyesOfNigh 26/09/00 1:03 PM 2x2x is far harder to play than 1x1x. It's why there are so few great 2x players and so many good 1x players.

Alexander' 26/09/00 1:05 PM hmmm, I'll have to try it

Alexander' 27/09/00 9:25 AM gday

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 9:25 AM hi.

Alexander' 27/09/00 9:26 AM let's excahnge maps on that other game and start another

Alexander' 27/09/00 9:27 AM if you didn't put a password on, I didn't, just start another game - with the same settings please - I want to get used to these
settings

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 9:32 AM Lets play 2x2x then, 2x2x will get you used to 2x1x much faster.

Alexander' 27/09/00 9:32 AM hmmm, okay

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 9:34 AM 4.16.151.240

Alexander' 27/09/00 9:36 AM am I in?

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 9:57 AM 4.16.151.240

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 10:15 AM If I"m so lucky why do you need a larger map?

Alexander' 27/09/00 10:16 AM okay, play small again

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 10:16 AM 4.16.151.240 I made it 100 squares larger. 50X60

Alexander' 27/09/00 10:16 AM you didn't let me get out before closing, I'm hung

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 10:17 AM Just end the task.

Alexander' 27/09/00 10:21 AM okay, I'm back - tell me when to come in

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 10:21 AM Come on in. 4.16.151.240

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 10:24 AM 4.16.151.240

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 11:59 AM Ready to finish our game?

Alexander' 27/09/00 12:01 PM can't play now, tommorrow same time?

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 12:01 PM Why can't you play now? In another game?

Alexander' 27/09/00 12:02 PM no, got things to do, I'm minding the baby

EyesOfNigh 27/09/00 12:02 PM Oh, ok. See you tomorrow then.

Alexander' 27/09/00 12:03 PM bye

Alexander' 28/09/00 9:37 AM gday

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 9:37 AM hi

Alexander' 28/09/00 9:38 AM let's continue, I can host

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 9:38 AM uhhhhh....ok. You got the save?

Alexander' 28/09/00 9:39 AM yep

Alexander' 28/09/00 9:41 AM 139.134.125.152

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:05 AM I didn't disconnect

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:06 AM Then why didn't you answer me?

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:07 AM I'm minding a sick baby

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:07 AM Oh. Well do you want to finish or do you just concede?

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:08 AM 139.134.125.152

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:11 AM Just host it yourself

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:11 AM Aren't you afraid I'll cheat you?

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:11 AM what difference would it make now - but if we play another game I'll host

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:11 AM 4.16.151.160

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:12 AM There will be no more games with you. NOt until you apologize for accusing me of cheating.

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:13 AM I never accused you of cheating and you didn't start a thread either

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:18 AM Don't worry, there will be a thread as soon as we're done this game.

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:18 AM ha ha ha

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:33 AM This is your last chance to apologize before I make the post. I'm not bluffing unlike you. I'm really looking forward to this post.

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:33 AM ha ha ha do what you like, I think you are very sus.

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:34 AM Ok, fine. I'm going to enjoy this. I'll tell you when I'm done so you can go make a post too.

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:35 AM I couldn't care less, your the most sus player I have encountered

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:35 AM Cool.

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:36 AM I had 51 cities and 74 units to your 6 cities and 9 units. God damn you suck. LOL

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:36 AM yes well we all know why, your name is mud already

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:37 AM Mind if I use that quote?

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:38 AM sure, go ahead, post the whole icq conversation if you like, or maybe I will

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:39 AM Sounds good to me. Would you like to post the chat log from the game or would you like me to?

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:40 AM go ahead, whatever

I still don't see that thread

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:40 AM Oh, I'm putting alot of thought into this one. This one could take me a half hour and could be very very long. I like to make sure to take away every angle of attack so that all you're left with is what I've anticipated and planned for in advance.

Alexander' 28/09/00 11:41 AM *yawn*

EyesOfNigh 28/09/00 11:48 AM Ok, I made the post. Do your worst.

[Crustacian]

So if not bitter, then you please explain why you feel it reasonable to call AH a brat cus he went for happyness wonders and lost.
Tell me so I dont have to try and guess

Crusty you didn't read what I said. He didn't go for happiness wonders, in fact he didn't build any wonders. I was the one buliding the wonders. I'm talking about in a deity game all it is a race for happy wonders. we played king. He's trying to tell me that my settings are too easy to play.

Eyes, post the chat log if you dare.

Go right ahead. I've already made my point. There isn't anything in the chat log that can really help me. If you want to post it, go right ahead.

[Crustacian]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Eyes Of Night on 09-27-2000 09:13 PM</font>
There is no sitting back and growing with no worries like your little deity large map 1x1x ****. Not only that all you do is rush for the happy wonders. Whoever gets those wins a deity game or at least has a huge advantage. Why don't you just face it AH, you suck. You've played with your apolyton brat friends for so long and kissed each other asses that you actually believe the bull**** you people say to each other.
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Yes I caught that, but even tho he did not in your game, my point still stands I believe. rushing for happyness wonders is one strategy. But that does not make anyone a brat or anything worse cus they choose it even if it backfires on them.

Your startegy can't allways work either, or else you would not feel the need for a restart when on an island

[DeadWilly]

Got my butt kicked . didn't know it was dbl prod . till i built my city . Good game . Try again?

[Crustacian]

Good attitude Dead Willy! I get took by surprise on those 2x's also but the settler moving 2 spaces allways reminds me. You must have built right where you stood eh?

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Eyes Of Night on 09-27-2000 10:01 PM</font>
Go right ahead. I've already made my point. There isn't anything in the chat log that can really help me. If you want to post it, go right ahead.
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HA! Won't post the chat! And I know why too

Really? Then post it and show the world so all can see.

Why won't you post it?

[DeadWilly]

I moved 1 space away . Would have been a good spot for single production . Bad for double . LOL!I'll know next time ! I'll def. give a better game . Try another anyone?

I can't post it, dammit, my chat buffer is set to clear

You'll have to do it!

Why do you want me to post it so bad?

[Crustacian]

I'd like to see it

[suas333]

Forget it Eyes. I think alpolytoners play in a different atmosphere than gameleague. They just aren't used to strategies focused on winning early. They know that checking unit proximity in the city window is now deemed legal by the Gameleague?

suas333
Gameleague's O.W.L Alliance

[Crustacian]

Didn't know that Suas333, but whatever is used should be agreed on right?
And early winning strategies are used here, but it as all others, is just one of many to play.