Big New Aussie Game Tonight Mk 2 :)

[finbar]

Hey, guys, we hit 150.

So is this on for tomorrow night or is Makeo out on the slopes again? Or slops, or wherever he goes.

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finbar
Mono Rules!
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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by finbar (edited June 09, 2000).]</font>

Well I'll be there - I cannot speak for Mr Permanent Erec....

I think I'll be OK for tonight. Check in around 8:30pm Aussie EDT, Sat night here.
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Us of the great 'yo ho ho hydey ho' alliance have made great advances and equalised the availability of techs for all the world.
However the monstrous finbar/makeo alliance remains all powerfull despite some losses of cities. We must be vigilant in the face of such strength.


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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

[finbar]

We might be big, but we've been utterly peaceful. Others have been less so. Sadly.

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finbar
Mono Rules!
#33984591

Yes, 'utterly peaceful' until you got howies
We slowed the pace there!

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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

[Makeo]

I thought this was a no howitzer game

[finbar]

It is. He's forgotten. So the fact remains that we might be the biggest, but we're peaceful. We didn't start a war.

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finbar
Mono Rules!
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[Makeo]

ahhh, this game is great fun. Its great to be finally playing with a real warmonger. Someone who's prepared to take the reputation hit and just attack a peaceful civ. Great stuff. Your a credit to real warmongers everywhere deity. good on ya

[finbar]

Hang about! He attacked two peaceful civs!

Apart from that, I couldn't agree more.

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finbar
Mono Rules!
#33984591

The only peaceful civ that has been attacked without cause is the Greeks . Ruthlessly attacked by warmongering Aztecs. BOO HISS BOO

This is not the NO-Howitzer game! That's the game with Pinky.

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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

NEWS FLASH

The beloved leader of the Horse Empire becomes catatonic with boredom in the big aussie game, which manages only 4 turns in 4 hours. Physicians despair. Horse considers resigning from the game for health reasons.


<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Alexander's Horse (edited June 10, 2000).]</font>

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Makeo on 06-10-2000 09:47 AM</font>
ahhh, this game is great fun. Its great to be finally playing with a real warmonger. Someone who's prepared to take the reputation hit and just attack a peaceful civ. Great stuff. Your a credit to real warmongers everywhere deity. good on ya
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Ha Ha! This is rich. If our ages were reversed I'd call you my mentor
YOU, with the classic war-mongering rep, attacked me in most of our early games (GREAT FUN BTW) which taught me heaps of nasty stuff, you did

I'm basically a very peaceful player but there is going to be the odd planet where THE DEITY feels other pseudo-peaceful civs are being unfair. On this planet the finbar/makeo alliance were racing away with a huge lead in everything, sharing nothing

finbar's annoying persistence that we could find more land if we looked for it is not exactly sensible. I don't like disparate empires colonising the world, as you do. I like a geographically clusterd civ.
Onion Isle should never have been colonised by the Zulus. It is DEITIAN territory despite earlier suggestions that you could settle there! You refused my earlier requests to allow us to share it.
You, Costello (finbar), can either cede Onion Isle to THE DEITIANS in return for peace or face its imminent destruction (and loss of techs).
Makeo's demands for return of all his lost territory is absurd. The former Sioux lands he colonised are now owned by the 'yo ho ho hydey-ho' alliance. My proposal is that we keep all territory north of the Sioux capital and no DEITIAN ships will venture south of that latitude. No Aztec or Zulu ship is to come within 6 squares of our territory either.
I only offer this to aid Horses health problem
If it was just the 2 warring parties I would not be offerring this, so take advantage of THE DEITY's consideration of others



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*THE DEITY*
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[finbar]

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</font>&lt;font size=1&gt;Originally posted by iadkins on 06-10-2000 05:54 PM&lt;/font&gt;


I'm basically a very peaceful player but there is going to be the odd planet where THE DEITY feels other pseudo-peaceful civs are being unfair. On this planet the finbar/makeo alliance were racing away with a huge lead in everything, sharing nothing
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Translation: I'm a warmonger when I feel the urge.

The finbar/Makeo alliance raced away with a huge lead in everything because it explored and researched properly. In this case, war was started because the DEITY/Hydey alliance were hopelessly inefficient in the exploration and research departments. What's more, since when, in a competitive game, are techs shared around? Traded, perhaps, if the opposition has something to trade. In this case, they didn't. Thus they started a war.

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</font> finbar's annoying persistence that we could find more land if we looked for it is not exactly sensible. I don't like disparate empires colonising the world, as you do. I like a geographically clusterd civ.
Onion Isle should never have been colonised by the Zulus. It is DEITIAN territory despite earlier suggestions that you could settle there! You refused my earlier requests to allow us to share it.
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DEITY doesn't like disparate empires? Fair enough, a DEITY idiosyncracy. So he launches unproved attacks on a Civ who had the nouse to explore, find and colonise an island that lay in uncharted waters. The Zulus found the island and colonised it before the DEITIANS stumbled across it.

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</font> You, Costello (finbar), can either cede Onion Isle to THE DEITIANS in return for peace or face its imminent destruction (and loss of techs).
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Get stuffed. Lose techs? You've already thieved most of our techs anyway. Having failed to research them yourself.

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</font> Makeo's demands for return of all his lost territory is absurd. The former Sioux lands he colonised are now owned by the 'yo ho ho hydey-ho' alliance. My proposal is that we keep all territory north of the Sioux capital and no DEITIAN ships will venture south of that latitude. No Aztec or Zulu ship is to come within 6 squares of our territory either.
I only offer this to aid Horses health problem
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Horse's health problem would be better served by addressing the time it's taking for turns.

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</font> If it was just the 2 warring parties I would not be offerring this, so take advantage of THE DEITY's consideration of others
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Spare us, pleasssssssssssssssssssse?


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finbar
Mono Rules!
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<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by finbar (edited June 10, 2000).]</font>

Each to his own style of course.

If the finbar/makeo alliance chooses to use its resources to concentrate on exploration/colonisation and tech research and only defend with antiquated units then you are trying to get something for free.

In a real world situation, where other civs CHOOSE to build smaller but tighter and well defended civs, it is inevitable that weakly defended highly advanced civs are vulnerable, having put ALL their eggs in one basket

You guys are only mad cos you took a risk!
You are now paying the penalty for that risk. You said, finbar, you and makeo were trading through the roof. I know you were maxing out science rates, for sure, getting science bonuses. makeo loves this. I knew from previous life times that he does this whilst defending with warriors and archers and then quickly moving into armour and howies as soon as you get the techs.

My timing was critical. You'd have howies by now the way your techs were going, then we would have seen who was the war monger!

makeo's reputation precedes him AND you are allied to him, finbar.

YOUR CHOICE.

AS you know I've rarely attacked first and even in this game I remain spotless
Your stupid Foreign Advisor didn't tell you that your civ had declared war on ME! How can I be responsible for that and in kings chat you just said you hadn't declared war on hydey. Your Government is very confused!
What was I to believe?


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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

[Makeo]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by iadkins on 06-10-2000 05:54 PM</font>

Makeo's demands for return of all his lost territory is absurd. The former Sioux lands he colonised are now owned by the 'yo ho ho hydey-ho' alliance. My proposal is that we keep all territory north of the Sioux capital and no DEITIAN ships will venture south of that latitude.


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So the Deiticians plan a war, capture cities, killing many innocent civilians and then wish peace with no reparations? Is this the way a war is conducted? Capture some cities, sue for peace until ready to advance again. There will never be peace until all Aztec cities are returned and the Deiticians are removed from Aztec lands. It is not the demand for reparations that is absurd, but the belief that any peace can be negotiated without them. Does the warmongering leader of the Deiticians believe we are that nieve to trust anything he says? As our neighbours the Sioux who have also felt the brunt of this most evil of leaders might say, Deity speaks with forked tongue.

makeo,
you can't analyse the situation in such simplistic terms!
You need to see the actions of THE DEITY in the context of the above history and taking your reputation into account

(BTW In my first three games with you I was attacked unprovoked by the nasty yellow colour!)

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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

[finbar]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by iadkins on 06-10-2000 09:02 PM</font>
Each to his own style of course.

If the finbar/makeo alliance chooses to use its resources to concentrate on exploration/colonisation and tech research and only defend with antiquated units then you are trying to get something for free.
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Mmm. Here we go again. Rationalising and justifying starting a war purely and simply for the purposes of gaining techs and territory. Which is a fair enough reason to start a war. Except he won't admit it.

Antiquated units? Riflemen? Tst. Small cities, walled, defended by at least one rifleman, and if no more than one, only because there wasn't the shield support.

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</font> In a real world situation, where other civs CHOOSE to build smaller but tighter and well defended civs, it is inevitable that weakly defended highly advanced civs are vulnerable, having put ALL their eggs in one basket

You guys are only mad cos you took a risk!
You are now paying the penalty for that risk. You said, finbar, you and makeo were trading through the roof. I know you were maxing out science rates, for sure, getting science bonuses. makeo loves this. I knew from previous life times that he does this whilst defending with warriors and archers and then quickly moving into armour and howies as soon as you get the techs.

My timing was critical. You'd have howies by now the way your techs were going, then we would have seen who was the war monger!

makeo's reputation precedes him AND you are allied to him, finbar.

YOUR CHOICE.
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Mmmmmmm. More of the same. And I reiterate the point about walled riflemen.

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</font> AS you know I've rarely attacked first and even in this game I remain spotless
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If you remain spotless it's only because you didn't have a treaty with the Aztecs at the time of your dastardly unprovoked attack. A technicality. The whole world knows the truth.


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</font> Your stupid Foreign Advisor didn't tell you that your civ had declared war on ME! How can I be responsible for that and in kings chat you just said you hadn't declared war on hydey. Your Government is very confused!
What was I to believe?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>

As you'd be aware, the software automatically links the allies, and, obviously, registers the overall situation. Ergo, your unprovoked attack on the Aztecs caused the software to register you and the Aztecs were at war. Ergo, the software registered you were at war with the Aztec's ally. Again, a technicality, brought about by your unprovoked attack. I didn't fire a shot against you. If you'd enquired, I'd've told you I had no interest in a war. Makeo had no interest in a war. It was all your doing.

Now, you're trying to sue for peace to stop a war you started. Remember a film called "The Mouse That Roared"? Peter Sellers played about 4 roles in it. About a tiny European country that realised the best thing in the world was to lose a war to the United States, because countries that lost wars against the United States received untold riches as a sort of recompense for having been beaten. Problem was, the tiny European country - with its forces of one submarine and an army of 10 - invaded America on an American public holiday. The streets were deserted. The tiny European country won the war.

Which is where this reality differs from that fiction. They did, you won't.



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finbar
Mono Rules!
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[finbar]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by iadkins on 06-10-2000 09:33 PM</font>
makeo,
you can't analyse the situation in such simplistic terms!
You need to see the actions of THE DEITY in the context of the above history and taking your reputation into account

(BTW In my first three games with you I was attacked unprovoked by the nasty yellow colour!)

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Past history. Old news. Another tres ordinaire justification and rationalisation.

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finbar
Mono Rules!
#33984591

Ha Ha Ha!!!!

Aztec pg dropping.

Zulus losing territory.

Pretty good for one small nation to take on the 2 most powerful empires over 100 years ago. And still there has been no real attack on me.

Also, my ally is preparing for war after that unprovoked attack by the Aztecs. Have you factored that into the equation?

Then there is that wild card of a Horse to contend with. I don't think you, finbar, are that friendly with him, are you?

You haven't even got enough shield support to hold more than one defender!! That says it all. You put all your eggs in the trade/tech basket. Now you are going to be a basket case


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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

[finbar]

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</font>&lt;font size=1&gt;Originally posted by finbar on 06-10-2000 09:41 PM&lt;/font&gt;
. [quote] Another tres ordinaire justification and rationalisation.

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At the risk of repeating myself.

Oh, and Horse and I have a perfectly respectable ICQ relationship grizzling about the time it takes some people to get through a turn.

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finbar
Mono Rules!
#33984591
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by finbar (edited June 10, 2000).]</font>

I'm warning you all now, if we have another session as slow as last night I am going to fall asleep, slumped over my keyboard.

This almost happened last night. I fell asleep on the lounge whilst watching a movie with Mrs Horse but still managed to wake up in plenty of time for my turn!

If I fall asleep, the game will hang of course. I'm not planning to do this deliberately. Its just inevitable.

Are on for tonight (sunday) I'm in the mood for this game after the Yanks upset me this morning

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by finbar on 06-10-2000 09:58 PM</font>
At the risk of repeating myself.

Oh, and Horse and I have a perfectly respectable ICQ relationship grizzling about the time it takes some people to get through a turn.


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Yikes! Jumping a bit out of role playing here!
I meant AH attacked you eons ago on this planet and that you haven't exactly forgiven him for it!

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If I don't show by 9:30 tonight I'm out

Is tomorrow, being a public holiday, a possibility? Would be better than Monday night. fin and I find that playing late afternoon is quite good... 3 or 4? Or any time really


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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

[finbar]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by iadkins on 06-11-2000 03:55 AM</font>
Yikes! Jumping a bit out of role playing here!
I meant AH attacked you eons ago on this planet and that you haven't exactly forgiven him for it!

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Yes, I said ICQ relationship. We've also since discovered a common bond. Bet you can't guess what it is.



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finbar
Mono Rules!
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can i join your guys' game? just wonderin thx.

can i join your guys' game? just wonderin thx.
icq# 77102782

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easthaven

The real problem turntimewise is Deity has stuck so many cities on that main island of his that he has to micro manage up the ying yang just to stop em all from starving.



<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Alexander's Horse (edited June 11, 2000).]</font>

Hey, AH, that's not true!
If I do micro it's NOT during my turn anyway.
Don't forget I'm in Democracy with many troops away from home. I cannot afford a Govt collapse so I need to be very careful about which units end up outside a city areas. This takes a little time. The main time user during my turn is just moving units. Plus, makeo and I have had trouble with the AI Sioux not liking our troops outside their cities! Funny about that. We really shouldn't play games with AI's. I had to move a lot of troops, unnecesarily, because of that. Otherwise on the next turn some of them would have been automatically removed (which is what happened to makeo!) and I'd rather have troops in fortified fortresses rather than just IN a nearest city


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*THE DEITY*
#8388924

The other real problem turntimewise is Deity has so many units outside his cities in democracy that he has to micro manage up the ying yang just to stop his cities going into disorder.